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PCGS Photograde online observation of quarter eagles

fastfreddiefastfreddie Posts: 2,812 ✭✭✭✭✭

To me it looks like the obverse and reverse pictures are of the same coin in any grade as shown.
I was viewing quarter eagles and noticed this. Could it be or just a coincidence of 2 matched VG10's?

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,085 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is it possible someone cracked a coin out of the slab and then resubmitted it to get it reslabbed? Hence, two matching coin pics?

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  • fastfreddiefastfreddie Posts: 2,812 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    Is it possible someone cracked a coin out of the slab and then resubmitted it to get it reslabbed? Hence, two matching coin pics?

    Yes, but of this date and mint mark?

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,085 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fastfreddie said:

    @PerryHall said:
    Is it possible someone cracked a coin out of the slab and then resubmitted it to get it reslabbed? Hence, two matching coin pics?

    Yes, but of this date and mint mark?

    Maybe it was one of those "mechanical errors" that we keep hearing about. ;)

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  • PCGS ONLINE PHOTOGRADE is a great, free resource. Unfortunately, IMO, so far there has not been one photo grading resource without major errors. It is very difficult to assemble all the images needed for a correct progression. Trying to combine two sides with identical wear grades also leads to problems. I have seen partial grading sets in a seminar with a narrow range of grades from F to XF where the differences are so close (I'll describe it as F-12, F-15, F-18, VF-20, VF-23, VF-25, etc.) that when you lay the coins out and study them you are able to put them into the correct order by the amount of detail present. Doing this online would be a daunting project. After all, any attempt at showing or describing a particular grade is JUST A GUIDE so why bother.

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,771 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 20, 2024 4:33AM

    I see the VG10 photos that you linked.
    And all the other grades show different photos.
    https://www.pcgs.com/photograde#/2.5Lib/Grades

    Are you saying that the obv and rev photos for VG10 are photos from a single coin?
    That would be normal, I think.

  • fastfreddiefastfreddie Posts: 2,812 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @yosclimber said:
    I see the VG10 photos that you linked.
    And all the other grades show different photos.
    https://www.pcgs.com/photograde#/2.5Lib/Grades

    Are you saying that the obv and rev photos for VG10 are photos from a single coin?
    That would be normal, I think.

    It looks like it but it can't be since there are no 1861 Dahlonega QE's minted.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,921 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 20, 2024 4:57AM

    @fastfreddie said:

    @yosclimber said:
    I see the VG10 photos that you linked.
    And all the other grades show different photos.
    https://www.pcgs.com/photograde#/2.5Lib/Grades

    Are you saying that the obv and rev photos for VG10 are photos from a single coin?
    That would be normal, I think.

    It looks like it but it can't be since there are no 1861 Dahlonega QE's minted.

    I really don't understand what you're saying. What is the issue? I see no issue with the photograde.

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,110 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well circulated gold coins frequently do not show equal wear on obverse and reverse, sometimes 3 or 4 grade levels different. It would make sense to show an excellent example for the grade on that side, no matter what coin was the source.

  • @davewesen said:
    Well circulated gold coins frequently do not show equal wear on obverse and reverse, sometimes 3 or 4 grade levels different. It would make sense to show an excellent example for the grade on that side, no matter what coin was the source.

    It does not matter what date or mint is used for each side. All you need is an image of a VG (in this case) with no strike issues to confuse the user. I have a flatly struck XF/AU (original luster and surface condition due to wear) Denver Mint nickel that has the detail of a Fine remaining on its reverse.

  • fastfreddiefastfreddie Posts: 2,812 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My only point that I did not seem to make is that there were no1861-d QE's minted and the VG10 example looks to be from the same coin obverse and reverse. Obviously this cannot be the case or is this a discovery piece which I highly doubt.

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  • @jmlanzaf said:

    I really don't understand what you're saying. What is the issue? **I see no issue with the photograde. **

    Just about anything can be improved if there is a will to do it. My issue with Photograde is that in a few cases the image for the higher/lower grade coin looks to be switched. That's like saying you see a tiny black speck in a beautiful diamond - it's no big deal for something that is free.

    PS I look forward to our banter. I understand you are a teacher. I've had plenty of knowledgeable numismatists as yourself teach me. While I'm very opinionated, I'm still learning. I appreciate all of you here!

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