What do you think PCGS graded these?

ajaan

TPRC

Shot in the dark....64 PL and 64

braddick

65 STAR

65

Coinscratch

62
64

edit: Possibly details on both but I couldn't enlarge the images w/o them blurring out.

jerseycat101

64PL
63

CommemDude

63+ PL
58+

Swampboy

66
64

jedm

65PL
64

TomB

The 1892-O Barber quarter is either an AU or altered surfaces.

psuman08

64PL
58

hummingbird_coins

64+, 58

Morgan13

66pl on the Morgan
I'll take a shot and say 65 on the barber.

ajaan

The Morgan was cracked out of an ANACS holder and the Barber 25c out of an ICG slab.

Barbercoin

Using just this pic, I’m goin 58 on the Barber. I’m lousy at grading Morgan’s, always have been.

braddick

@TomB said:
The 1892-O Barber quarter is either an AU or altered surfaces.

Are you thinking wizzed?
Upon a second look- it does have that characteristic.

hummingbird_coins

@braddick said:

@TomB said:
The 1892-O Barber quarter is either an AU or altered surfaces.

Are you thinking wizzed?
Upon a second look- it does have that characteristic.

If I had to guess what he was thinking, I would say putty, as (possibly) evidenced by light tan splotches on cheek, neck, and fields.

ProofCollection

66
65
But the images are too small to get a better look.

ajaan

The Morgan was ANACS yellow label MS63PL.

coinkat

We are grading the images and not the coins which in this instance is problematic. Those here that offer an opinion are in the same boat… but that is a different boat than the graders.

Tough call.

The Morgan is likely a 64PL- and that opinion is subject to change based on hairlines in the obverse fields.

The Barber is the tougher call. I see it as an MS coin. However it seems that the was likely dipped and there is a residue that likely created patches of brownish toning. I see a straight grade as a possibility but I really would rather have a better look at the portrait cheek and fields. My reluctant guess is MS62 provided that the luster has not been significantly compromised by the dip.

I hope that you are satisfied with the grading outcome.

ajaan

Now:

ProofCollection

Seeing larger images, it's much easier to see the cleaning on the Morgan.

braddick

The is a recent video on Youtube whereas a collector/dealer sent a bunch of PCGS coins into CACG for crossover (at any grade) and all of them were returned with issues. Either that, or the coins were cracked out of the PCGS slabs and sent in raw. The results were the same. Not a single coin made it out in a regular holder with CACG.
The luck of the draw, I suppose.
We're all in the fourth act of the grading game.

johnny010

Based on the True Views alone I would not have graded either one of those cleaned. The photos of the coins in hand do seem to tell a different story.

ajaan

@johnny010 said:
Based on the True Views alone I would not have graded either one of those cleaned. The photos of the coins in hand do seem to tell a different story.

The photos of the coins look nothing like the coins in hand. The quick cellphone photo was to show the PCGS labels.

john_nyc1

I've seen Morgans that look like this True View that straight grade. Apologies this has likely been discussed before... but how do you tell the difference between die polish lines and lines associated with cleaning? PS I'd crack the coin out and send to NGC or even back to PCGS! It seems to me there is a component of chance with the TPGs.

john_nyc1

Here is a PCGS deemed Cleaned Coin that befuddles me! Any hints or insights that indicate cleaning? Thank you.

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/49770059

ProofCollection

@john_nyc1 said:
I've seen Morgans that look like this True View that straight grade. Apologies this has likely been discussed before... but how do you tell the difference between die polish lines and lines associated with cleaning? PS I'd crack the coin out and send to NGC or even back to PCGS! It seems to me there is a component of chance with the TPGs.

There are better ways to tell, but In OP's Morgan, the lines seem to go from rim to rim which I think indicate cleaning/wiping.