1967 Kennedy that weighs 12.54
Slish6
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Sent this coin to pcgs during Covid. Took 8 months to get it back and all they did was grade it ms65. Sent it to annacs they did the same thing and sent it back with an ms65 grade. Called them and sent it back to them asking them to answer the weight issue. Finally came back as an ms63 ??? And description of being struck on a thick clad blank.
Was wondering how to determine a value on this unique coin.
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I suspect that you may have spent more on submissions than any premium the coin might have.
We'll see what others say...
Welcome to the forum.
When you sent the coin back to ANACS, was it still in their MS65 holder? If so, did you ask them how they justified their two-point downgrade?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Thick clad blank? 40% silver clad or copper clad? Wrong planchet?
A normal 67 40%'er should be 11.5g
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Welcome. I think that the coin is less perfect because it is thicker. Hate to read that you did it. Good luck.
It might be less “perfect” but it’s more valuable.
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It's a mint error.
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I think.
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If it is a clad planchet vs a 40% planchet I think you are on to something truly special.
I would suspect that isn't the case though and ANACS simply mislabeled (easy to misinterpret) it.
peacockcoins
Did ANYBODY do a specific gravity test to see if it was 90% silver rather than 40% silver?????
Exactly what I think the original poster was thinking, and this would be a significant mint error if it’s on a 90% planchet.
If it’s just on a thick 40% planchet, probably worth $50 or less
I think the word "clad" on the holder indicates it's not silver and thus appears to be coin strip that was rolled thick on the rolling mill. I would say it's maybe worth more than $50, but not a whole lot more.
If it is not the standard 40% silver planchet it is worth much more than your $50. estimate as a wrong planchet Kennedy half dollar.
peacockcoins
It would also be a significant mint error if was struck on a copper clad planchet.
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“Clad” can mean either 40% silver clad or copper-nickel clad.
Well, there you have it.
peacockcoins
I think it is a standard 40% planchet, just rolled thick.
I have to assume that "struck on thick clad planchet" means an out-of-tolerance silver clad planchet.
I assume that an off-metal error would be labeled differently.
What makes you think that?
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The ANACS tag. If it was anything more complicated than a 40% clad planchet it would probably say that on the label, especially since PCGS apparently took a look at it too.
You might be right. Unless I'm missing it, I don't see anything here in their pop report that comes close to the OP's coin.
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Extra thick is not the same as "wrong". It's a bit unusual on halves, but not a rare as a true off metal strike. Although I'm not sure we can be 100% sure. XRF would help. If it is a 90% blank, could be talking 5 figures.
Thanks for all the responses. I did have a coin shop who had the ability to check the silver content showed it to be a 75%. He’s the one that said to try annacs.
I’m pretty new to the coin collecting hobby. Seems like the grading individuals should be interested in discovering the story of this coin.
What’s the next move?
Could it be a planchet for a world coin struck at Philly? I am thinking of a Panama 1/2 Balboa? I did not check the weight on the 1/2 Balboa.
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Unlikely to be the case, but such a coin would certainly be significantly more valuable.
It's up to you to identify the error before you send it in. If you didn't, and also didn't submit it under the Error service, that's probably why it did not get an error designation initially. Likewise, if you believe it is something other than a coin struck on a rolled thick planchet, it's up to you to identify it and support your ID when you send it in.
I think you and/or your coin shop friend have made this more complicated than necessary.
The silver clad outer layers might test out at somewhere around 75% but when the low-grade core is factored in the net purity of the silver clad planchet is 40% silver.
It should be easy for you or your coin dealer to look at the edge to see if it's silver clad. If it's slightly overweight then it's a minor anomaly that occurs from time-to-time; the strip was simply rolled a little thick.
Assuming the above is what we are looking at (and I'm sure it is), there is no compelling "story to this coin", and the "next move" is to learn from the tuition you paid.
P.S. - if you ask your questions on this forum first, you'll save lots of time and money.
Good point - that's probably exactly what happened.
Those were apparently struck on the same 40% silver clad planchets as our half dollars.
Contact ANACS. Ask them if they did do a specific gravity test.
I must be missing something here because to me it's crystal clear what it is, and is not.
It's not a 90% silver blank, because ANACS labeled it "clad". It's not CN clad since ANACS did not mention that on the label, and that certainly would have been an incredible error worth noting (and probably impossible because it would presumably have to be punched from quarter strip that was rolled to thicker than half dollar specs).
It's a slightly overweight 40% silver planchet.
I don't understand why is says Struck On Thick Clad Blank?
Why wouldn't it say: Struck On Thick Clad Planchet?
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I feel exactly the same. Sometimes the planchet strip isn't rolled to the proper thickness, for various reasons. There are MANY error coins out there rolled too thick or thin and this coin isn't even close to being an extreme example.
Easy check. Go back and have him shoot a reference sample as well.
How many collectors are likely to care about a somewhat overweight 1967 Kennedy Half?
I was thinking just like a thin planchet coin. Thick and wrong weight indicates some kind of error. Maybe not much in the value category but got to say it isn’t a normal coin.
That's it in a nutshell.
Then there's the question of why you ever weighed it in the first place, but that's your business and you don't have to answer.
It's just that there is a lot of nonsense on YouTube and elsewhere promoting this sort of scrutiny.
You've got a personal trophy and sometimes that's enough. I've got lots of those from years of roll searching. Not much value but I can say I found them.
Might not have fit.
Submit it to CAC and/or NGC. Document the story here, AP—artificial provenance. Is there a record for how many times a coin has been graded by the big four? Set that record!
Do you mind posting photos of the previous slabs? Thanks for sharing your story.
Unfortunately I didn’t take pics of the pcgs slab and annacs first round slab. Only have paper work for both and online record. Wished I would have now.
Can’t find any reason why the word blank was used rather than planchet. I’m sure there is one.
As was already suggested, contact ANACS.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Just for reference, the Coin World Almanac gives the official weight tolerance on the 1965-1970 40% silver clad halves at 4.0 grains, or approx. 0.26 grams. With an official weight of 11.5 grams, the upper weight tolerance is approx. 11.76 grams.
As to doing a specific gravity, I am sure that they could tell the difference between 40% clad silver and 90% silver by the toning of the core on the edge, but the specific gravity would PROVE it one way or the other.
The weight of a 1964 Kennedy half (90% silver) is 12.50 grams. Yours is very close to that. I would get a second opinion on whether it was struck on a 40% or 90% silver planchet.
It wouldn't be a non-silver clad half, because those didn't exist until 1971.
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It has already been slabbed three times. Wouldn't the TPGs have caught something as extreme as a 90% blank? ANACS specifically confirmed that it was clad.
The OP is already in the red with this coin. Does he really need to keep throwing away money?
I certainly would. The coin weighs nearly exactly the same as a 90% silver half. And I don't see where the OP actually asked the TPGs whether the coin might actually be 90% silver.
It's true that ANACS says it's clad, but I was suggesting a second opinion. Risk vs. reward. The risk is one grading fee. The reward could be four or five figures (or more) if it turns out to be struck on a leftover 1964 blank.
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I guess I must have numismatic superpowers, then. I can tell the difference between 90%, 40% clad, and CN clad just by looking at the edge.
To each their own.
I agree with JBK’s post from yesterday afternoon –
40% silver and almost almost 1 gram overweight from top tolerance.
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It doesn't even look like 90% silver in the photo.
He already had his friend hit it with an XRF. it's NOT 90%
If you read the whole thread, he had it tested with an XRF and it's NOT 90%