* Stolen Coins In Transit * 1872-CC 25C, 1876-CC 25C, 1877-CC 25C & 1878-CC 25C

ParadimeCoins

Coins were shipped from our customer from California to NY. Yes they are insured. Package was received, but the contents were empty. Please keep an eye out. We have taken all the necessary steps.

1872-CC 25C P01 PCGS CAC Cert#46949547

1876-CC 25C P01 PCGS CAC Cert#81781991

1877-CC 25C P01 PCGS CAC Cert#46240550

1878-CC 25C FR02 CACG. Cert#895027164

Thank you,
Shannon R

scubafuel

Sorry for your client. They are very recognizable and not gold, so hopefully they will reappear.

RichieURich

Sorry to hear this news, hopefully the coins will be recovered.

pointfivezero

Hate to hear this. Can you share any details regarding “package was received, but the contents were empty”? Did the package look damaged or crushed during transportation? Was there a clean cut or slice? Or was the package completely intact?

I’m a former logistics manager and the condition of the packaging will go a long way towards determining the root cause of the issue..

Tim

johnny9434

will keep an eye out for them, we got 2 small shows coming up and ya never know, fwiw

Moparmonster

Very disheartening to hear. Package thefts seem to definitely be on the rise with more and more stories coming out. Someone mentioned on here a while ago that wrapping the coins in foil to thwart the app scanners may be a possible solution. I will keep my eye out for the coins.

BLUEJAYWAY

California to NY. Many hands on that package en route. Hope they are found intact.

DocBenjamin

Nice lowball coins. Hope that they are recovered.

P0CKETCHANGE

@BLUEJAYWAY said:
California to NY. Many hands on that package en route. Hope they are found intact.

Not necessarily. In many cases, shipping a few states over will hit more postal DCs and be handled more times than a coast-to-coast shipment. Cross-country routes often go by air, especially if Priority service.

ParadimeCoins

@pointfivezero said:
Hate to hear this. Can you share any details regarding “package was received, but the contents were empty”? Did the package look damaged or crushed during transportation? Was there a clean cut or slice? Or was the package completely intact?

I’m a former logistics manager and the condition of the packaging will go a long way towards determining the root cause of the issue..

Tim

Hi Tim. it was shipped via flat rate box signature required and the customer had taped very thoroughly, with tape reinforcing all seams as well as many loops of tape going around the box lengthwise and breadthwise. The coins were packaged together in bubble wrap, and there was plenty of other packing material to prevent
any rattling sounds. There were no real signs of damage but when received only some paper and the now loose bubble wrap was in the box when opened. The scanned weight before it arrived was consistent with the coins and everything in there. I am assuming it was somehow cut open and then resealed/taped.

BigAl

Question, was the package addressed to “ParadimeCoins” ?
I think addressing a package to a recipient with the word “coin” in it is asking for trouble. Obviously it doesn’t excuse the crime by any stretch, and probably this is not the case here, but makes me wonder if postal workers know if certain addresses receive coins or other valuables.

Moparmonster

@BigAl said:
Question, was the package addressed to “ParadimeCoins” ?
I think addressing a package to a recipient with the word “coin” in it is asking for trouble. Obviously it doesn’t excuse the crime by any stretch, and probably this is not the case here, but makes me wonder if postal workers know if certain addresses receive coins or other valuables.

Most all big dealers and auction houses do not use anything resembling coins in the shipping address. Most are just initials and or some alias name because it doesn’t really matter.

pointfivezero

@ParadimeCoins said:

@pointfivezero said:
Hate to hear this. Can you share any details regarding “package was received, but the contents were empty”? Did the package look damaged or crushed during transportation? Was there a clean cut or slice? Or was the package completely intact?

I’m a former logistics manager and the condition of the packaging will go a long way towards determining the root cause of the issue..

Tim

Hi Tim. it was shipped via flat rate box signature required and the customer had taped very thoroughly, with tape reinforcing all seams as well as many loops of tape going around the box lengthwise and breadthwise. The coins were packaged together in bubble wrap, and there was plenty of other packing material to prevent
any rattling sounds. There were no real signs of damage but when received only some paper and the now loose bubble wrap was in the box when opened. The scanned weight before it arrived was consistent with the coins and everything in there. I am assuming it was somehow cut open and then resealed/taped.

Thanks Shannon. That packing effort brought a smile to this old Distribution Manager’s face as it is exactly how I pack my shipments. There is no doubt this theft was no accident. It was a skilled operator who knew exactly what they were doing and how to hide the evidence of their “work”. So sorry this happened to the diligent seller.

Tim

Namvet69

Very disheartening. Hoping for the best, in that someone scans the barcodes and triggers an alert.

Morgan13

Always a concern for me. I don't sell many coins. Maybe one package a month. With these stories and really is unsettling.

jdimmick

Many post office distribution centers are scanning packages, so the operator knows what is in the packages when it passes through, the problem, is some employees of the post office are now part time temp, thieves and folks looking to score a prize. I have been doing some investigative work on my own and discussing with retired postal employee's the process how stuff floats thru system. As a prior thread I noted , theft has run rampant latley. It seems that a lot of my gold packages were targeted. How do they know their is gold in there? because a lot of what I just stated. I have had two gold coins, a group of gold backs targeted the past month or so. I have basically shut down ebay sales over a couple hundred bucks until I can find another solution. Most likely going to be consigning ian a bunch of stuff come baltimore show, including a lot of stuff that I could literally sale myself via ebay previously.

BAJJERFAN

@jdimmick said:
Many post office distribution centers are scanning packages, so the operator knows what is in the packages when it passes through, the problem, is some employees of the post office are now part time temp, thieves and folks looking to score a prize. I have been doing some investigative work on my own and discussing with retired postal employee's the process how stuff floats thru system. As a prior thread I noted , theft has run rampant latley. It seems that a lot of my gold packages were targeted. How do they know their is gold in there? because a lot of what I just stated. I have had two gold coins, a group of gold backs targeted the past month or so. I have basically shut down ebay sales over a couple hundred bucks until I can find another solution. Most likely going to be consigning ian a bunch of stuff come baltimore show, including a lot of stuff that I could literally sale myself via ebay previously.

Would slabbed or raw coins show up on their x-ray scanner if they were wrapped in aluminum foil? I see it was mentioned above. I'm wondering if someone at your local PO would let you try it out if they have such a device at their location. I guess one would also need to document all items with value before shipping

Copperindian

If you’re only a periodic USPS user, the problem I have is how the postage paid amount appears on the box label. For too short a time years ago, they stopped that practice, but started it up again without explanation. But it’s a license to steal - “look how valuable these contents must be!”

BAJJERFAN

@Copperindian said:
If you’re only a periodic USPS user, the problem I have is how the postage paid amount appears on the box label. For too short a time years ago, they stopped that practice, but started it up again without explanation. But it’s a license to steal - “look how valuable these contents must be!”

Is that for postage paid at the PO or online thru pirate ship, et al?

Copperindian

@BAJJERFAN said:

@Copperindian said:
If you’re only a periodic USPS user, the problem I have is how the postage paid amount appears on the box label. For too short a time years ago, they stopped that practice, but started it up again without explanation. But it’s a license to steal - “look how valuable these contents must be!”

Is that for postage paid at the PO or online thru pirate ship, et al?

PO

JonBrand83

Oh thats horrible. I always hear horror stories but not from someone I know so well. Hope this gets resolved somehow.

BigAl

@Moparmonster said:

@BigAl said:
Question, was the package addressed to “ParadimeCoins” ?
I think addressing a package to a recipient with the word “coin” in it is asking for trouble. Obviously it doesn’t excuse the crime by any stretch, and probably this is not the case here, but makes me wonder if postal workers know if certain addresses receive coins or other valuables.

Most all big dealers and auction houses do not use anything resembling coins in the shipping address. Most are just initials and or some alias name because it doesn’t really matter.

Very true, however I was speaking about this package specifically, whether the sender addressed the shipment to “ParadimeCoins”. I’m assuming no, but was just curious.

pocketpiececommems

Those were some really nice lowball coins. Does the PO have any security cameras in use at any of their facilities

dsessom

PSA for anyone out there who ships coins, via any company (FedEx, USPS, etc).

There are delivery workers who are thieves, and know what they are doing. They employ hand held metal detectors that will tell you what type metal is in the package - Iron, copper, silver, gold, etc. To defeat these thieves, when you ship a coin of any value, wrap the slab or raw coin in aluminum foil. This will fool the metal detector, which will only register aluminum as the contents.

This is the cheapest deterrent that you can use, and so far it has worked for me. I have never had a coin lost to theft since I have been doing this.

Copperindian

@dsessom said:
PSA for anyone out there who ships coins, via any company (FedEx, USPS, etc).

There are delivery workers who are thieves, and know what they are doing. They employ hand held metal detectors that will tell you what type metal is in the package - Iron, copper, silver, gold, etc. To defeat these thieves, when you ship a coin of any value, wrap the slab or raw coin in aluminum foil. This will fool the metal detector, which will only register aluminum as the contents.

This is the cheapest deterrent that you can use, and so far it has worked for me. I have never had a coin lost to theft since I have been doing this.

Good suggestion! Of course, thieves being thieves, they’ll soon decide aluminum detection will mean there’s something more valuable inside!

Moparmonster

Successful delivery of my package today sent to Paradime. USPS flat rate priority box. Slabs in cardboard coin protectors and wrapped in aluminum foil. I breathed a sigh of relief today. Just wanted to update with a successful delivery.

PerryHall

@Moparmonster said:
Successful delivery of my package today sent to Paradime. USPS flat rate priority box. Slabs in cardboard coin protectors and wrapped in aluminum foil. I breathed a sigh of relief today. Just wanted to update with a successful delivery.

I remember a time when you could mail a package and not have to worry about it getting stolen by a postal employee. I guess those days are over.

ldhair

I sent several packages out using Registered Insured, just a few days ago. I ask the clerk if he had to put the sticker on the box that showed the postage paid. He said that he had to. These were large stickers with bold dollar amounts. The PO should change that rule. My packages made it halfway across the US, without any problems in four days.

I always worry about something going missing. Because of this, I limit the value of each package to $5000. This cost me more but I feel better.

Dug13

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asheland

I don’t mail often, but when I sent my Indian Cents to Rick Snow for EAGLE EYE stickers, I mailed them flat rate box with the $100 insurance included. I took a risk I know, but they arrived two days later without any problems at all.

I would rather risk it personally. But again, I don’t mail stuff that often so it’s not a big problem for me personally.

Jacques_Loungecoque

@PerryHall said:

@Moparmonster said:
Successful delivery of my package today sent to Paradime. USPS flat rate priority box. Slabs in cardboard coin protectors and wrapped in aluminum foil. I breathed a sigh of relief today. Just wanted to update with a successful delivery.

I remember a time when you could mail a package and not have to worry about it getting stolen by a postal employee. I guess those days are over.

Sadly , just one more indicator of a nation in decline. When I was a wee lad in the 80’s and into the 90’s I remember the PO employees being so grateful for their jobs. They considered it a true honor to wear the uniform. Most were retired or former veterans who had that sense of teamwork, integrity and that internal drive to compete the mission. A good many were Vietnam vets.

They were the kindest of people who would always talk to me and my siblings at the door and they’d do things like hype us up when they knew our Star Wars mail in action figures had arrived. (Arriving in 8-10 weeks…. 😂). Just awesome folks. We definitely don’t have that same spirit from them anywhere I’ve lived the last 20 years. It kinda saddens me.

lermish

@Jacques_Loungecoque said:

@PerryHall said:

@Moparmonster said:
Successful delivery of my package today sent to Paradime. USPS flat rate priority box. Slabs in cardboard coin protectors and wrapped in aluminum foil. I breathed a sigh of relief today. Just wanted to update with a successful delivery.

I remember a time when you could mail a package and not have to worry about it getting stolen by a postal employee. I guess those days are over.

Sadly , just one more indicator of a nation in decline. When I was a wee lad in the 80’s and into the 90’s I remember the PO employees being so grateful for their jobs. They considered it a true honor to wear the uniform. Most were retired or former veterans who had that sense of teamwork, integrity and that internal drive to compete the mission. A good many were Vietnam vets.

They aren't necessarily different groups but the Post Office was always known for having a very large population of ex-hippies and non-conformists; specifically not people with an internal drive to complete a mission. No education or haircuts required and job stability was very appealing for those with a wayward period in the 60s or 70s.

EDIT: There was also a rash of postal shootings in the 80s, hence "going postal" and the post office was known nationally for lost packages, poor service, and long lines. Your reminiscences are not necessarily accurate or reflective of the reality of the situation.

Annissa

I am so appreciating all of you supporting each other!

My name is Annissa from ShipandInsure.com - I can't tell you how important it is to follow the previous suggestions mentioned! The thefts are indeed on the rise and there are a few things we HIGHLY recommend to help protect your shipments.

• Double boxing is a great deterrent as in most situations, a nefarious minded person won't have time to cut through the second box inside.
• The outer box should be closer to the medium flat rate sized box because it's too big to hide under a jacket. Small flat rate sized boxes are the main targets and are at** least** 95% of the missing/arriving empty shipment claims I see come across my desk.
• Wrapping the goods in foil or using a mylar bag within the inner box does indeed mess up their scanning abilities.
• Definitely use initials or a direct contact name for the recipient address and for the return address on the box using something like "Joe's Plumbing" as the sender name is recommended.
• Never allow rerouting - Scammers have been reported rerouting shipments to a pickup location (like Walgreens, etc.) and showing up with a fake ID matching the intended recipient's name/address. Pretty elaborate, but absolutely happening.
• Never let the carrier know the actual value of your shipment. If you have a 3rd party insurance, then it's none of the carrier's business what's in the box (unless it's illegal/contraband) and you are charged for the declared value even if you're not insuring with the carrier. They always issue an automatic $100 for each shipment. Read their small print - chances are your contents aren't covered or capped quite low if so.

Be smart & stay safe, guys & gals. We're in this together

CoinRaritiesOnline

That sucks. Will keep an eye out.

ParadimeCoins

@CoinRaritiesOnline said:
That sucks. Will keep an eye out.

Thank you!

Manorcourtman

I had a package disappear 3 Saturday’s ago in the Washington DC area. It was out for delivery Saturday morning 9/28. Supposedly the business was closed and a note was listed in the tracking that a redelivery would be attempted Monday. Well it mysteriously went missing. It was a Morgan dollar I was returning to Golden Eagle coins in Laurel Maryland. I used USPS Priority mail so I get $100 insurance on it but it was worth twice that amount. It’s maddening that the Post Office has this problem. I know I should have insured it for the full amount. Lesson learned but I’m sure it happens a lot more than they would admit.

P0CKETCHANGE

@Annissa said:

• The outer box should be closer to the medium flat rate sized box because it's too big to hide under a jacket. Small flat rate sized boxes are the main targets and are at** least** 95% of the missing/arriving empty shipment claims I see come across my desk.

!!!!!! If you remember one thing in this thread, it should be the above!!!!!!

Barberian

They are great low-balls. Definitely "A" coins for the grade. I hope you can recover them.

Thanks @Annissa for the solid advice.