Copper 1943D cent?
erwindoc
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Non-magnetic and weight seems right. What do you guys think? It's not my coin and a friend brought it to me to look at. Is it authentic??
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The three in the date doesn't look right.
Compare:
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1943-d-1c/2714
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Now listen boy, I'm tryin' to teach you sumthin' . . . . that ain't an optical illusion, it only looks like an optical illusion.
My mind reader refuses to charge me....
What do you think does not look right? I did not see any tooling or marks that would make me think it had another date that was altered.
Looks legit enough to send in to our hosts, that is exciting. Will you trade it for a new ford?
The date looks fine to me, so do the details, color and strike. My guess is it has a shot at legit but due to what it is, one needs it in hand with TPG blessings. If me I would take it to Sullivan numismatics at a show and if they like it then straight to pcgs
Note the 43 d is unique in copper so that’s going against you.
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I told my friend the same thing that it would HAVE to be authenticated. I did say that I would post it here to see what a few of the experts here had to say.
@SullivanNumismatics @erwindoc The other one sold for almost two million and is the most expensive small cent ever sold so I know one person for sure who is rooting against you to double the population. Good luck either way OP
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40 made with 27 known…wow! What a find that would be. Retirement for the owner! 😉
Looks off to me. Maybe a struck counterfeit.
die struck counterfeit
What do you two see that make you think this? I thought the quality of the planchet was fine. The details are sharp enough too. Could be the lack of my photography skills showing.
I don't like the letters on the reverse.
Given that there are a million counterfeits for every one real one... may the odds be ever in your favor.
The coin is counterfeit
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Look closely at the upper loop of the 3 in the date, In your photo, the top loop is much more open, In the coinfacts image I linked, the top loop is much tighter; i.e., more nearly closed.
Coinlearner, Ahrensdad, Nolawyer, RG, coinlieutenant, Yorkshireman, lordmarcovan, Soldi, masscrew, JimTyler, Relaxn, jclovescoins
Now listen boy, I'm tryin' to teach you sumthin' . . . . that ain't an optical illusion, it only looks like an optical illusion.
My mind reader refuses to charge me....
Bubbling around the portrait.
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I can certainly see that now you have pointed it out. I will tell my friend. I had high hopes for him since it passed the magnet test and weighed good. Lots of good experts here! Thanks everyone!
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The mint mark is farther away too since @jesbroken posted them together
It’s unknown how many 1943 bronze cents were produced. And with respect to the 1943-D, I believe that only one has been authenticated.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
As stated by others, Asian struck counterfeit.
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Wow, that is one of the better counterfeits.
Had me a bit puzzled until I came upon Fred's post.
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Counterfeit
You’re absolutely right Mark! Thanks for the correction…..AMPEX lists 40 made with 27 known specimens for 1943’s according to their website…and the one shown here is a D.
In cases like this where the coin is (likely) a modern counterfeit, I have to wonder where the collector got it from in the first place. It wasn't like it descended down through the generations in an old collection.
Not too long ago someone bought that coin from a shady Chinese seller for next to nothing. How did it enter polite society as a possible genuine coin? 🤔
Pretty much the same conclusion you got when you posted it on the NGC forum,
it is counterfeit. Now you can tell your friend it is definitely counterfeit.
The guy told me he got it in change!
You’re certainly welcome. I have no idea where they obtained those numbers.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Here’s where I obtained my information Mark…..
Thanks. That's not nearly as bad as I thought. They stated that it was estimated 40 were struck, not that 40
were struck. And the numbers they used were for 1943, 1943-D and 1943-S bronze cents, combined.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Your friend may actually still have something of value here. Submit it to ICG and if it is counterfeit, they will slab it and use their yellow counterfeit label for it. People do collect counterfeits, and those slabs/labels from ICG are quite popular.
People do not collect modern Asian counterfeits. You can buy thousands of these for $2 each, including shipping. See my links above.
"Buy the holder, not the coin."
I'll bet one of these Chinese counterfeits in a yellow ICG slab would sell for more than a raw Chinese counterfeit. Whether the slab premium would outweigh the slabbing fees remains to be seen.
It would be tempting to find out, though.
It's an interesting question. Does ANACS slab modern counterfeits? Do they note them as such?
The mintmark is in a different position on each coin die since they were punched into the dies by hand. I'm not sure if it's more or less likely that two copper planchets would have been struck by the same die. I could make an argument either way.
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Very convincing die-struck counterfeit 1943 cents are being produced in China. Since 1943 cents are made of steel, they can be hardened and used as hubs to create false dies. Suggest showing it to some experts and get their opinion. If they say it looks good, then send it to one of the major grading services to get it slabbed.
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They could have done it in VF …. might have fooled more people.
I think an expert already gave a good opinion...
Mark