1920D/D FS-502 buffalo share
MichalSPL
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Hello, wanted to share my latest buy, coin is on the way to be delivered yet I managed to analyze it on listing pictures well enough to see the correct mint mark position. Secondary mint mark is south, a bit ‘tired’ due to coin wear yet it’s there. Distance from rim can’t be measured as rim on my coin is flattened so a lot wider. Example on the left is variety vista FS-502, my coin on the right. I printed it and drew few lines to support my research. Seems it’s gonna be the third one graded by PCGS.
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Nice find!!!
Sure looks like it, good eye!
@thecoinjunkie thank you, thought it is impossible to find this one yet seems I proved myself wrong:)
Thank you sir!👍
Congrats. Nice find.
Jim
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Will you take photos when you get it? I don't think it is the variety. I have been hunting this variety for over 20 years and have seen many low grade examples exactly like yours. The D is a different style totally. The FS-502 "D" is a slim profile mintmark. The one you bought is very much thicker and I don't attribute it to wear. I have looked at or examined well over a 1000 1920-D Buffs over the years. I hope I am wrong but I have been down this path many, many times over the last 20 years. Just my experience and two cents. Best of luck to you. It's one of the toughest RPM's in the series.
Hello, sure I can’t either agree or disagree with you at the moment and I know and seen how many varieties you have found and can imagine Your experience is with no doubt stronger than mine. Mint mark style can be related to wear that is for sure as is the rim and wider lettering. There are many arguments for yes as well as for no on this coin. My two main things are: position of the mint mark fits the variety and we both know that so far there hasn’t been a case when two different dies had mint mark at the same place and also somehow hard to believe that accidentally coin with same position of the mm has something south that well could be secondary mint mark. Yet there are arguments for NO as well such as any known examples of the variety were EDS this coin is either MDS or LDS. Sure more arguments for NO exist. I will share scope pics once it’s delivered yet I don’t think they can bring much to the conversation. Guess I will leave it to PCGS to decide on attribution and if it fails I will somehow swallow lost 70$ for their fees.
The position seems right but @Manorcourtman could be right.
Don't count your chickens until they are holdered. Good luck and I hope that you scored.
@sellitstore absolutely, I may have scored or wasted money. Part of the game.
Agree with chickens thing yet I couldn’t wait on that one
Thank you👍
@sellitstore I can’t tag Manourcourtman for some reason but please have a look at my drawings, despite some possible ‚hand work’ mistakes it looks to be in the right position. What do you think? Can you tag Manourcourtman again please?
Is that a pic you took? I’m not seeing the variety at all in the pic. It’s not the placement that matters. Just not seeing anything close to the 502 variety. Just my humble opinion. But if you think it’s it PCGS would be your place to go.
Ok I am researching not stating now, look at what wear did to the mint mark, now imagine the same impact on very slim remnants of secondary mintmark, original variety in AU condition shows very slim bottom D curve, with time it could become to what we see on my picture. This is why the position is so important here. Darker small loop south of mm might be remnants of what has left from rpm.
I have one of the two graded and after looking at mine under the scope and comparing it to your pictures, I would give yours a good shot at the RPM. I would not hesitate to submit it to PCGS for grading and attribution. I have looked at hundreds of 20 D's for the variety and not found a single one. I think you have something here.
I've seen this variety in hand, not sure if yours is one or not, but it's definitely worth submitting to find out for sure.
As lunagately said, there are only two graded of this variety at PCGS.
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@lunagately thank you and respect for owning one of these two Fs-502s seriously amazing variety.
I really got doubts about my coin as so many people told me it’s not the variety. The secondary mint mark would be damaged by flattening of the rim.
Do you think I should submit it to PCGS or to one of RPM Experts? I have asked some experts already and they turned it down.
Honestly I don’t know what to do. Lost faith in this one yet it still sits in my head that I should get it checked.
Thank you again sir👍
@lunagately @RichieURich please have a look at scope close ups
It isn't the variety shown in the Variety Vista FS-502 photo.
I have looked at your close up pictures and although they not of good quality, I still think you have a shot. I have the AU55 and am comparing mine under the microscope to your new pictures. If you adjust for wear and a little PMD, like I said, you have a shot. If it were my coin, I would submit it to PCGS for variety attribution. If you get it great, if not, it doesn't cost that much and you will know for sure.
nope
I still say it’s not a 502, more sure now than before. Keep on hunting.
Can't tell from the photos. But when in doubt, I would suggest listening to lunagately, he is the expert in this series.
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@RichieURich how about this one?:)
That at least really looks like it.
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That looks like the variety!
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@RichieURich that one is with no doubt the variety👍 so happy with it💪💪 thanks for Your comments sir!
@CRHer700 very shy to say it looks like it. There is no chance it isn’t one. 👍👍
Now that's the one! Looks just like it to me.
I can’t tag you you ‚Manourcourtman’ but thank you. Yes
That one seems to be leaving no doubts. 👍👍
@lunagately Think with this second coin there is no doubt, Does this variety seem to have DDR on PL of Pluribus to you? It does to me, sure it is very minor but a great die marker I believe. BTW, did you buy Your 20D/D in Oct 2023 at GC? I may try to send both my coins and see if the worn one gets the attribution. Would be nice to have few more examples in different grades to have more knowledge on this variety. Also the worn one is later die stage, if this coin gets attribution we would know that this variety also may appear at MDS or LDS.
Everything seems to line up with your coin being the variety.
Except one thing.
The line on the right going up from the right side of the MM thru CENTS does not line up. It seems to be too far to the right with respect to the image on the left.
It's plain as day to me.
I sure would like to agree with you but I can't.
Pete
@BuffaloIronTail yes this lower grade coin shown in main discussion pictures probably isn’t a variety. Luckily I found the second one which leaves not doubts. Posted above this comments.
Thank you Pete👍