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1909-S VDB ~ Does it look authentic to you?

ashelandasheland Posts: 23,189 ✭✭✭✭✭

This belongs to a friend:
Unfortunately, this is the best I can do, shooting through a loupe:

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  • robecrobec Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 6, 2024 12:22PM

    Looks pretty good, at least for the reverse. The S placement looks like placement #4.

    Does the S have a little ball shaped piece of metal in the top loop?

    Edited: After looking again, the mint mark looks to be too far right. I don’t think it is authentic. Could be the the angle of the coin’s orientation that makes it look too far right.

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a legit position #4 die struck coin to me.

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  • TypekatTypekat Posts: 378 ✭✭✭✭

    Looks good, MM is right, and the ‘woodgrain’ planchet is common for SF cents at the time.

    Gotta say, that’s quite a rim problem showing on the obverse and reverse. what the heck…..?.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,074 ✭✭✭✭✭

    no need to shoot it through a loupe except to zoom on the VDB

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,142 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Probably genuine, but the broad rims in places sort of look like damage.

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Being genuine doesn’t matter as much if it won’t straight grade.

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 6, 2024 3:51PM

    @Smudge said:
    Being genuine doesn’t matter as much if it won’t straight grade.

    So are you saying a damaged counterfeit is worth more than a damaged genuine SVDB? I would not have guessed that. I think a genuine coin will still have value in a details holder.

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinbuf said:

    @Smudge said:
    Being genuine doesn’t matter as much if it won’t straight grade.

    So are you saying a damaged counterfeit is worth more than a damaged genuine SVDB? I would not have guessed that. I think a genuine coin will still have value in a details holder.

    Just not as much.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,074 ✭✭✭✭✭

    a damaged genuine s-vdb won't find it's way into the 1000 wheats for 30 bag

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  • TypekatTypekat Posts: 378 ✭✭✭✭

    @Smudge said:
    Being genuine doesn’t matter as much if it won’t straight grade.

    Genuine in a details holder is worth several hundred dollars, versus nothing it’s bogus.

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,189 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinbuf said:
    Looks like a legit position #4 die struck coin to me.

    Seeing that, I agree it looks like number four…

    I will note I couldn’t get it to capture in the photo, but on the reverse, the woodgrain went right through the VDB, which to me looked very very good. 👍

    Thanks everybody for your help!

  • john_nyc1john_nyc1 Posts: 88 ✭✭✭
    edited September 7, 2024 4:21AM

    Can’t speak to damage but I recently sold a PCGS genuine cleaned details UNC 1909 s vdb for $1,500.

    Casual collector, mostly Morgans & Peace Dollars.

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