Fake world gold coins in fake PCGS slabs on ebay

dvs

Five coins obtained from four different ebay sellers in Poland. MO seems to be: Username established for a year, maybe a few legit trades completed, then list a few high-value fakes and disappear. All coins appear be from the same source. New sellers in the Czech Republic seem to be getting in on the action now as well. All the bar codes are the same.

Here is a counterfeit of a rare 1867 gold pattern:

The real McCoy sold by Heritage years earlier:

Below are a 4 more fake coins in fake slabs:
France 1899 gold 20 francs

France 1870 gold 20 francs

France 1866 gold 20 francs

Britain 1962 gold sovereign

Here is a fake France gold 50 francs just recently sold on ebay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/355892270578
Here is the real coin:

Bailathacl

Yikes

John Conduitt

All correct PCGS codes without photos. Seems to be no point in slabbing without a photo.

Abuelo

Ding.

neildrobertson

@John Conduitt said:
All correct PCGS codes without photos. Seems to be no point in slabbing without a photo.

They all have clear markers of being fake just based on the holder.

tcollects

some of those would fool buyers not expecting fakes of bullion gold

John Conduitt

@neildrobertson said:
They all have clear markers of being fake just based on the holder.

Isn't the problem that they all look like one of the numerous variations in holder PCGS have had? They have shot themselves in the foot with all these different holders https://www.pcgs.com/holdermuseum

Cougar1978

How horrible. They seem very convincing on first glance. Scary.

You

@John Conduitt said:

@neildrobertson said:
They all have clear markers of being fake just based on the holder.

Isn't the problem that they all look like one of the numerous variations in holder PCGS have had? They have shot themselves in the foot with all these different holders https://www.pcgs.com/holdermuseum

They don’t though. Neither the holders nor the coins are convincing at all.

John Conduitt

@You said:

@John Conduitt said:

@neildrobertson said:
They all have clear markers of being fake just based on the holder.

Isn't the problem that they all look like one of the numerous variations in holder PCGS have had? They have shot themselves in the foot with all these different holders https://www.pcgs.com/holdermuseum

They don’t though. Neither the holders nor the coins are convincing at all.

In what way is, say, the sovereign holder unlike the genuine 2011-13 holder? Not everyone is versed in the look of a correct TPG holder, especially as there are so many. Even if you are careful and key the number into the TPG website, the description matches. You shouldn't need to be an expert in fake holders.

You

@John Conduitt said:

@You said:

@John Conduitt said:

@neildrobertson said:
They all have clear markers of being fake just based on the holder.

Isn't the problem that they all look like one of the numerous variations in holder PCGS have had? They have shot themselves in the foot with all these different holders https://www.pcgs.com/holdermuseum

They don’t though. Neither the holders nor the coins are convincing at all.

In what way is, say, the sovereign holder unlike the genuine 2011-13 holder? Not everyone is versed in the look of a correct TPG holder, especially as there are so many. Even if you are careful and key the number into the TPG website, the description matches. You shouldn't need to be an expert in fake holders.

The font for “Great Britain” is way too small, for starters. I’m by no means an expert in fake holders, but that stands out pretty clearly. The quality of the ink also looks worse overall.

From comparing the photos directly, the cert codes also appear spaced too far from the barcode. The central gasket looks too rounded. The rough texture of the plastic is coarser than it should be.

But the coins are awful fakes anyway.

Swampboy

Thank you and

John Conduitt

@You said:
The font for “Great Britain” is way too small, for starters. I’m by no means an expert in fake holders, but that stands out pretty clearly. The quality of the ink also looks worse overall.

From comparing the photos directly, the cert codes also appear spaced too far from the barcode. The central gasket looks too rounded. The rough texture of the plastic is coarser than it should be.

But the coins are awful fakes anyway.

Quite honestly, I would probably not be able to tell you which of these was genuine. Any differences could be down to lighting. But I see now the forger should've used a bolder font.

You're right, the coins are the giveaway. But we don't need the slab for that.

You

@John Conduitt said:

@You said:
The font for “Great Britain” is way too small, for starters. I’m by no means an expert in fake holders, but that stands out pretty clearly. The quality of the ink also looks worse overall.

From comparing the photos directly, the cert codes also appear spaced too far from the barcode. The central gasket looks too rounded. The rough texture of the plastic is coarser than it should be.

But the coins are awful fakes anyway.

Quite honestly, I would probably not be able to tell you which of these was genuine. Any differences could be down to lighting. But I see now the forger should've used a bolder font.

You're right, the coins are the giveaway. But we don't need the slab for that.

This is what the font size for the country would look like on a genuine holder, for reference.