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derrybderryb Posts: 36,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited August 24, 2024 11:22AM in Precious Metals

Just four banks hold 87 percent of all derivatives at all 4,587 federally-insured financial institutions in the U.S. that existed as of December 31, 2023. Appears interest rates is their biggest bet. This can't end well.

I put odds at 95% that any one of us banks with at least one of them.

All the Devils from 2008 Are Back at the Megabanks: Leverage, Off-Balance-Sheet Debt, Over $192 Trillion in Derivatives, Shaky Capital Levels

Natural forces of supply and demand are the best regulators on earth.

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  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Rinse and repeat! If it worked once.... should work again! We are all in a game of musical chairs whether we like it or not.

    ----- kj
  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 29, 2024 10:02PM

    Net exposure is a fraction of notional exposure.

    Your numbers are misleading.

    All the Devils from 2008 Are Back at the Megabanks: Leverage, Off-Balance-Sheet Debt, Over $192 Trillion in >Derivatives, Shaky Capital Levels

    Leverage for Wall Street Money Center banks is about 8-9 to 1. In 2008, it was 20-25 to 1. Off-balance sheet debt is a fraction of 2008's. Derivative net exposure is a fraction of what you cite. Capital is at the strongest levels in 50 years.

    You continue to subscribe to the "Garbage In, Garbage Out" websites.

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,869 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Capital is at the strongest levels in 50 years.

    Sure, and the Fed can create as much fake money as the banks will ever need. Even the mob in Vegas didn't have as refined a skimming operation as the Fed does.

    John Williams calculates inflation at 10.9%, not 2.9%. Que sera, sera.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • If it is true then it is a very terrible situation. What should we do in such situation ?

    @derryb said:
    Just four banks hold 87 percent of all derivatives at all 4,587 federally-insured financial institutions in the U.S. that existed as of December 31, 2023. Appears interest rates is their biggest bet. This can't end well.

    I put odds at 95% that any one of us banks with at least one of them.

    All the Devils from 2008 Are Back at the Megabanks: Leverage, Off-Balance-Sheet Debt, Over $192 Trillion in Derivatives, Shaky Capital Levels

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,912 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @targetedwork said:
    If it is true then it is a very terrible situation. What should we do in such situation ?

    Kick back and wait for $12,000 gold? RGDS!

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @targetedwork said:
    If it is true then it is a very terrible situation. What should we do in such situation ?

    @derryb said:
    Just four banks hold 87 percent of all derivatives at all 4,587 federally-insured financial institutions in the U.S. that existed as of December 31, 2023. Appears interest rates is their biggest bet. This can't end well.

    I put odds at 95% that any one of us banks with at least one of them.

    All the Devils from 2008 Are Back at the Megabanks: Leverage, Off-Balance-Sheet Debt, Over $192 Trillion in Derivatives, Shaky Capital Levels

    I'll be pulling all of my cash from banks at the first sign of failure at a medium to large bank. If the smoke clears I can also re-deposit it.

    Natural forces of supply and demand are the best regulators on earth.

  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll be pulling all of my cash from banks at the first sign of failure at a medium to large bank. If the smoke clears I can also re-deposit it.

    That would work only if the bank allows it. If they are having a bank holiday.... ooops. And there probably won't be much warning.

    ----- kj
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,869 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That would work only if the bank allows it. If they are having a bank holiday.... ooops. And there probably won't be much warning.

    This.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmski52 said:
    That would work only if the bank allows it. If they are having a bank holiday.... ooops. And there probably won't be much warning.

    This.

    there will be sufficient warning to those paying attention,.

    Natural forces of supply and demand are the best regulators on earth.

  • This sounds like a greed thread for gold bugs.
    Banks run the world.
    They’ll never let gold bugs run them.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    @jmski52 said:
    That would work only if the bank allows it. If they are having a bank holiday.... ooops. And there probably won't be much warning.

    This.

    there will be sufficient warning to those paying attention,.

    94 US Banks Burdened by Uninsured Deposits – Risk of Bank Runs

    Your early warning:

    "Banks will begin to fail in Europe before it becomes a global contagion."

    Natural forces of supply and demand are the best regulators on earth.

  • Gold has nothing to do with banks failing. If one bank fails (Bear), another bank takes over. Gold in no way shape or form is involved.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 11, 2024 5:27AM

    @Autophagy said:
    Gold has nothing to do with banks failing. If one bank fails (Bear), another bank takes over. Gold in no way shape or form is involved.

    Price of gold reflects trust/faith in the currency it is priced in and trust in the central bank that manages (or mismanages) that currency. Failing banks destroy that trust. Banks fail because they are mismanaged or because they are over leveraged in the face of a sudden rush to pull cash from them. Keep in mind that banks hold money you loaned them when you made the deposit. It's now their money and they are free to loan out ten+ times that amount. The are loaning out what WAS your money. If enough depositors show up demanding their money, the bank will fail because it no longer has the money. Banking in itself is a ponzi. A customer's deposits become the next customer's withdrawal or loan.

    Natural forces of supply and demand are the best regulators on earth.

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,869 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gold has nothing to do with banks failing. Banks failing have something to do with gold however.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,912 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh, Ye the Metal of Kings. It sure does beat life in da gutter. To my fellow goldbugs, CNGRTS!

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.

  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2024 6:41PM

    Good grief....talk about garbage in, garbage out....BNY Mellon isn't even a "bank" -- it's a custodial bank and investment manager. The only runs there will be an outbreak of diarreah. :D

    This is what you get when you cut-and-paste garbage from idiots who just crunch numbers with no understanding of what they are doing.

  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Derry, you have no idea of how modern banking works and the role of the Fed. You really should stop posting because you're just making yourself look ridiculous.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2024 7:18PM

    They're back!

    China's gold futures traders set to once again drive price even higher.

    "A Financial Times article titled "Chinese Speculators Super-Charge Gold Rally" highlighted how trading volume in SHFE gold futures had (recently) surged by 400%, propelling gold prices to record highs."

    Natural forces of supply and demand are the best regulators on earth.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2024 7:56PM

    @GoldFinger1969 said:

    Good grief....talk about garbage in, garbage out....BNY Mellon isn't even a "bank" -- it's a custodial bank and investment manager. The only runs there will be an outbreak of diarreah. :D

    The Florida Atlantic University study discussed in the above "garbage" link found that BNY Mellon has a "100% ratio of uninsured deposits." Any entity that holds other people's deposits sure sounds like a bank (or credit union) to me.

    Custodial banks, investment banks, commercial banks - they're all banks. Just as McDonalds, Burger King and Whataburger are all burger joints. Banks, whatever the type, hold or control other people's money. When there is a loss of confidence in one of these banks, people take back their money. If a lot of them do it simultaneously, then you have a run on that bank. If it involves a number of banks you have a banking crisis. Keep in mind that "FDIC insurance" was created to make all depositors feel safe, when in reality the FDIC is funded to only cover a very small number of bank failures. FDIC insurance was created to ensure the masses believe their money is safe in the hands of, guess who, bankers. LOL

    This is what you get when you cut-and-paste garbage from idiots who just crunch numbers with no understanding of what they are doing.

    "idiots who just crunch numbers with no understanding of what they are doing." Sounds a lot like your beloved government statisticians who often have to revise their numbers to reflect reality.

    Natural forces of supply and demand are the best regulators on earth.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2024 8:09PM

    @GoldFinger1969 said:
    Derry, you have no idea of how modern banking works and the role of the Fed. You really should stop posting because you're just making yourself look ridiculous.

    Sure I know, and it's quite simple: The FED (private bankers) make the banking rules that are designed and constantly redesigned to make the rich even richer at the expense of the poorer. For example they allow banks to loan out ten times what they take in in order to increase personal debt while printing more fake money to, in effect, forgive Washington's public debt. Then Washington buys votes with handouts to the poorest, at the expense of mostly the tax paying middle class, to make sure the massive transfer of wealth to the rich comes primarily from the middle class. Class dismissed.

    Natural forces of supply and demand are the best regulators on earth.

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,869 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Fed has zero accountability, and they aren't required to have any sort of reserve - so the "money" that they keyboard into existence can be transferred anywhere in the world to any of their cohorts for any purpose.

    Bank run? POOF! No problem.

    Manipulate a market with naked shorts? POOF! No problem.

    Finance a revolution? POOF! No problem.

    "Modern Banking"

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,912 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Exactly, time to exit the bunker. No Problem. RGDS!

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.

  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭✭✭

    BNY Mellon does not have any retail deposits.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 13, 2024 7:03AM

    @GoldFinger1969 said:
    BNY Mellon does not have any retail deposits.

    Why is it called the Bank of New York Mellon Corporation and it does take deposits.

    Natural forces of supply and demand are the best regulators on earth.

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