MLB Considering 6 IP Minimum for Starting Pitchers

grote15

Interesting proposal. I can't even fathom how this would be enforced.

Darin

That would be an awful rule. You have to be able to replace a pitcher if he’s absolutely getting destroyed out there.🤔

pdoidoi

No way,I could not see this working.

Basebal21

Theyre kicking around the idea. 4 runs or more the rule wouldnt apply anymore or 100 pitches or more. Theyre also considering and testing losing the DH when the starter comes out, moving the mound back, theres a lot of terrible ideas being discussed by the owners and Manfred.

Teams algorithms saying not to face a lineup the third time, demanding max effort pitches rewarding velocity, making the ball slicker, taking away grip stuff, quick pitch clock etc is why pitchers are getting hurt more and not pitching as long. Hopefully they dont implement any of that nonsense for starters. With all the rule changes already it seems like Manfred and most of the owners dont really like baseball and would prefer it to be a 100 yard field throwing a football

Alfonz24

pitch underhand?

bgr

The batter should be able to request the height of the pitch.

stevek

Madness

perkdog

The faking of injuries will be epic lol

Absolutely ridiculous rule

craig44

If they want pitchers to go longer into games, a simple deadening of the ball would be a fantastic start.

GroceryRackPack

That's Insane... 🤣🙃🤣🙃

MsMorrisine

bad idea

MCMLVTopps

@Basebal21

I appreciate your post on the other page. I was unable to PM you and express such, and as you know, I'm no longer posting there.

1948_Swell_Robinson

Already messed with enough stuff. Would also be very hard to enforce without creating even more nonsense.

DocBenjamin

First game I went to was in 1964. Dad explained the rules in a couple of minutes...and I got it. Except for the tagging up on steals. That took about a dozen more years.

Trying to make perfection better. only makes it worse.

coinkat

I suspect the idea might be to help move the game along timely. Fewer managerial trips to the mound because what would really be the point? But what if the starter goes through 100 pitches before the 6th? Could happen and then what?

Let’s just get to the brass tacks… when will MLB be so regulated that AI replaces the manager because it is so numbers driven?

This is an idea that makes sense if the goal is simply wreck the game.

@DocBenjamin tagging up on steals? Maybe that explains the dozen years and exemplifies how time flies.

Basebal21

If anyones really curious about tracking changes MLB is considering keep track of the independent leagues particularly the Atlantic league. They use those as testing grounds. Every now and then they get college to try something since they have leverage over them with how the draft is. Last season the SEC experimented with having the double first base like you see in childrens softball during their conference tournament. The players and the umpires completely ignored it and just played normally

MLB had the Atlantic league move the mound back a couple feet during one of their seasons a couple years ago and players hated it.

The game of baseball has never been the problem

GroceryRackPack

Estil

@Darin said:
That would be an awful rule. You have to be able to replace a pitcher if he’s absolutely getting destroyed out there.🤔

But you don't want to be a Captain Hook about it either...neither extreme is any good. I mean you do only get 25 roster spots...

Basebal21

@Estil said:

But you don't want to be a Captain Hook about it either...neither extreme is any good. I mean you do only get 25 roster spots...

True but if a team chooses to do that thats on them. It shouldnt be regulated to save teams from poor decisions

Tabe

@perkdog said:
The faking of injuries will be epic lol

Absolutely ridiculous rule

The proposal says if you pull a guy for an injury, they must go on the DL.

Tabe

@coinkat said:
I suspect the idea might be to help move the game along timely. Fewer managerial trips to the mound because what would really be the point? But what if the starter goes through 100 pitches before the 6th? Could happen and then what?

They can be pulled when they get to 100, get hurt, or give up 4 ER.

bgr

Maybe they can have two batters at once too if they want to make the game weird. Teams can use a lefty, righty, or the new, dreaded, left-right combo.

Estil

While we're on the subject of rule changes, if they're gonna do that weird starting an extra inning with a guy on second or however that's done, why not do like at the HS level in my area and have a "courtesy runner" for when the pitcher or catcher gets on base? Also at the HS level in my area the DH does not have to necessarily be for the pitcher. Like if you have a pitcher who is a good hitter and another player who is awesome on defense but can't hit a ball with a telephone pole, you can opt to use the DH on this "defensive specialist".

I mean, these aren't any weirder than that whole starting with a runner on second to start an extra inning or this six inning minimum (good luck trying to figure out how to enforce it and defining the rule's details!), right?

Basebal21

The dumbest part about the guy on second rule is that it doesnt even apply to the playoffs. I hate when leagues make bogus regular season rules and then when the playoffs start are like just kidding we will use the real rules now

The DH being eligible for any position should be allowed but it wouldnt make any difference. No player is making it to the MLB if they have to have someone DH for them. Occasionally there will be pinch running specialists on the rosters but those guys are never really allowed to hit anyways

bgr

Whether we like it or not the concept is sound. It’s strangely contrived for sure…. But it has done what it was intended to do.

Basebal21

If the purpose of the ghost rule was to make MLB look like its being played in Willamsport it certainly succeeded. Weve even had a walk off pitch clock violation already. Just play 12 or 14 innings and if its still tied call it a tie. Basically every extra innings game was decided by then before the rule changes

Under Manfred weve had
Ghost runner on 2nd
7 inning games
The base paths shortened
Pitch clock
Limited pick off attempts
Shift banned
Inflielders having to have both feet in the dirt
Pitchcom
Pitchers having to face 3 batters or finish an inning

An entirely new record book needs to be created at this point that game has been so drastically changed. I'm sure I even forgot some of the changes so many have happened even from the game that was being played in the 2000s.

No commissioner and group of owners in history has made such drastic changes to the game than this current group, they arent even close to done yet either. And they wonder why long time fans would rather watch college football than a world series game yet college baseball ratings which is still a mostly pure form of the game are sky rocketing

bgr

The purpose was to reduce the length of extra inning games providing more consistency in the schedule and pattern for teams.

To that end, it works. But if you suggest that I’m arguing in favor of it you would be wrong as I’m not a fan. But, I can see the value - I simply prefer to play it out like every game matters.

craig44

along with deadening the ball (which would go a long ways towards extending starters) they could limit the amount of pitchers per team per game. go with a maximum of 3 pitchers/game.

Mistlin

This will never, ever make it as a rule change.

Until youth, high school, and college baseball coaches are forced to stop abusing their pitching staffs, this proposal will be DOA.

Basebal21

@Mistlin said:
This will never, ever make it as a rule change.

Until youth, high school, and college baseball coaches are forced to stop abusing their pitching staffs, this proposal will be DOA.

With this current group of owners you cantt say never to anything. No one thought they would shorten the base paths but they did. No one thought they would have 7 inning double headers but they did. No one thought we would have ghost runners but we do etc.

Anything and everything is on the table with the current group of owners and the current CBA where the players have no ability to stop any change

coinkat

One can never say never with MLB rules changes… all of the horse left and it simply is a little late to shut the barn door.