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MizzouMizzou Posts: 507 ✭✭✭✭

Over a month ago I sold a coin on Ebay and the buyer paid immediately with PayPal. I packaged the coin and dropped it in the mail the next day. A few days later, I receive positive feedback "AAA+ Fast Shipping" and it's a done deal.
When I got home from work today I find a familiar package in the mail that has "Refused" written across the shipping label. I open it up and sure enough, it's the coin that I sold. My wife asked me what I was going to do now? I told her I'm not sure because I've never had this happen before. No return request, email or any communication from the buyer.

Very strange -

Sometimes I think that animals are smarter than humans, animals would never allow the dumbest one to lead the pack

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  • MizzouMizzou Posts: 507 ✭✭✭✭

    Maybe but, the label with "Refused" written on it makes no sense if that's what happened

    Sometimes I think that animals are smarter than humans, animals would never allow the dumbest one to lead the pack

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's Twilight zone strange. Was "Refused" an official USPS worker marking? Did you mail It to a POBox? 🤔

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,928 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. Contact the buyer and ask.
    2. He might have changed his mind. Just last week someone on this forum suggested that, rather than schedule a U.S. Mint package return, they should just refuse the package. I would suggest that's what happened here.
  • MizzouMizzou Posts: 507 ✭✭✭✭

    Sometimes I think that animals are smarter than humans, animals would never allow the dumbest one to lead the pack

  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,283 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I recently left positive feedback for the wrong item on eBay and the seller sent me an email saying that he hadn’t delivered the item yet and apologized for the delay and offered me a refund. He said some kind of excuse, why he couldn’t send it until a week more. I was confused for a minute until I realized I had not received the item yet and replied to send just send it when he could. I had ordered a similar item to the one from this seller. I tend to blow off giving feedback until months later and then do everything I purchased real fast without paying close attention. If I don’t remember any problems I tend to give the same positive feedback.

    The “refused” on the OP’s package might have been some kind of confusion, maybe the package was delivered to the wrong house and the recipient refused it and the buyer might have gotten confused like I did.

    Mr_Spud

  • TheGoonies1985TheGoonies1985 Posts: 5,435 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mizzou said:

    Multiple personality disorder. One wants it the other does not hahaha!!!

  • MizzouMizzou Posts: 507 ✭✭✭✭

    Still no response from my email to the buyer. If I don't hear back from him in a few days, oh well...I'm not going to worry about it.

    Sometimes I think that animals are smarter than humans, animals would never allow the dumbest one to lead the pack

  • MizzouMizzou Posts: 507 ✭✭✭✭

    @Crypto said:>
    I would refund it if you have the goods back in your hands. You know the treat others as you would want them to treat you.

    I'm usually pretty good at doing that however, I find it very inconsiderate of this guy not responding to my email. If he's not concerned about it, I'm not either.

    I could tell you an unbelievable story of a Craigslist sale that I was recently involved in that would explain my view however, it's not "coin related" so I won't go down that road.

    Sometimes I think that animals are smarter than humans, animals would never allow the dumbest one to lead the pack

  • NeophyteNumismatistNeophyteNumismatist Posts: 1,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So, while I agree that I would want everyone to be considerate and friendly, there is no law against rude non-responsiveness. Since you have the buyers money and your merchandise, you are on the wrong side of the laws that do exist.

    I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.

  • MizzouMizzou Posts: 507 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 12, 2024 5:33AM

    @NeophyteNumismatist said:
    Since you have the buyers money and your merchandise, you are on the wrong side of the laws that do exist.

    I think I'll email him again and say "As soon as I receive payment, I'll put the coin in the mail"

    Sometimes I think that animals are smarter than humans, animals would never allow the dumbest one to lead the pack

  • NeophyteNumismatistNeophyteNumismatist Posts: 1,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    the buyer already paid, correct?

    I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,415 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mizzou said:

    @Crypto said:>
    I would refund it if you have the goods back in your hands. You know the treat others as you would want them to treat you.

    I'm usually pretty good at doing that however, I find it very inconsiderate of this guy not responding to my email. If he's not concerned about it, I'm not either.

    I could tell you an unbelievable story of a Craigslist sale that I was recently involved in that would explain my view however, it's not "coin related" so I won't go down that road.

    An inconsiderate buyer doesn’t justify your failure to reimburse him if he paid for an item and you have received it back.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • MizzouMizzou Posts: 507 ✭✭✭✭

    Absolutely, but from what I've seen so far he's a total whack job. Maybe I can get him to pay again...

    Sometimes I think that animals are smarter than humans, animals would never allow the dumbest one to lead the pack

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,415 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @NeophyteNumismatist said:
    the buyer already paid, correct?

    In case your question wasn’t meant to be rhetorical, from the OP’s initial post:
    “Over a month ago I sold a coin on Ebay and the buyer paid immediately with PayPal.”

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Refund and block.

    Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc

  • MizzouMizzou Posts: 507 ✭✭✭✭

    @privatecoin said:
    Refund and block.

    Are you kidding? I'm gonna see if I can get a payment plan...

    Sometimes I think that animals are smarter than humans, animals would never allow the dumbest one to lead the pack

  • NeophyteNumismatistNeophyteNumismatist Posts: 1,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mizzou said:
    Absolutely, but from what I've seen so far he's a total whack job. Maybe I can get him to pay again...

    If you are joking, this is not a very good joke. You need to refund the money. You are trying to blame the buyer, but I do not really understand the circumstances in which the coin was returned (and it reads that you don't really either). What we do know is that you have the coin, and you have the buyers money. It is 100% YOUR responsibility to return the money or return the coin.... since you are having trouble returning the coins and getting in touch with the seller - you are obligated to refund the money.

    No, I am not joking. and No, the law is not on your side.

    I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.

  • MizzouMizzou Posts: 507 ✭✭✭✭

    Do us all a favor and try to develop a sense of humor over the next couple of days.

    (And you'll be doing yourself a favor, girls love to laugh and have fun)

    Sometimes I think that animals are smarter than humans, animals would never allow the dumbest one to lead the pack

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,415 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mizzou said:

    Do us all a favor and try to develop a sense of humor over the next couple of days.

    (And you'll be doing yourself a favor, girls love to laugh and have fun)

    I guess I need to do the same. Since none of us know the full story, I don’t find the insults to the buyer or your joking to be amusing.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,280 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @privatecoin said:
    Refused by the spouse. :D

    of course >:)

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,928 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @Mizzou said:

    Do us all a favor and try to develop a sense of humor over the next couple of days.

    (And you'll be doing yourself a favor, girls love to laugh and have fun)

    I guess I need to do the same. Since none of us know the full story, I don’t find the insults to the buyer or your joking to be amusing.

    It's really not that hard of a problem. I'm not sure why all the complaining.

    1. You contact the buyer and ask for clarification.
    2. If you don't get it after a reasonable amount of time, you cancel the transaction.

    In this case, the seller doesn't have a problem at all. They have the coin and the money.

  • MizzouMizzou Posts: 507 ✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    In this case, the seller doesn't have a problem at all. They have the coin and the money.

    Bingo -

    Sometimes I think that animals are smarter than humans, animals would never allow the dumbest one to lead the pack

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,415 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mizzou said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    In this case, the seller doesn't have a problem at all. They have the coin and the money.

    Bingo -

    You omitted his other comment about you in the same post:
    “It's really not that hard of a problem. I'm not sure why all the complaining.”

    I say “bingo” to that.😄

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • NeophyteNumismatistNeophyteNumismatist Posts: 1,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am so confused, and I will have to work on my humor afterward. I didn't realize that @Mizzou was writing this post as satire. I was under the impression somehow that the dealer was intending to keep the coin AND the money. Of course this would be wrong, especially when you have eBay that can help to facilitate the refund.

    I guess I just thought this, because the OP said:

    1. " ...If I don't hear back from him in a few days, oh well...I'm not going to worry about it."
    2. "...If he's not concerned about it, I'm not either."
    3. "... he's a total whack job. Maybe I can get him to pay again..."
    4. ".... I'm gonna see if I can get a payment plan..."

    We are quite the jokester when we are holding someone else's money. While stated all in jest, I do think that you need to understand your responsibility as a dealer. Maybe you should hold your jokes until you make this right. I will never find ripping-off a collector funny. You can say what you want, but if you do not refund the money - this is exactly what you are doing.

    Not even joking. Besides, my wife hates when I date other ladies, so I might as well stay serious.

    I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,415 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @NeophyteNumismatist said:
    I am so confused, and I will have to work on my humor afterward. I didn't realize that @Mizzou was writing this post as satire. I was under the impression somehow that the dealer was intending to keep the coin AND the money. Of course this would be wrong, especially when you have eBay that can help to facilitate the refund.

    I guess I just thought this, because the OP said:

    1. " ...If I don't hear back from him in a few days, oh well...I'm not going to worry about it."
    2. "...If he's not concerned about it, I'm not either."
    3. "... he's a total whack job. Maybe I can get him to pay again..."
    4. ".... I'm gonna see if I can get a payment plan..."

    We are quite the jokester when we are holding someone else's money. While stated all in jest, I do think that you need to understand your responsibility as a dealer. Maybe you should hold your jokes until you make this right. I will never find ripping-off a collector funny. You can say what you want, but if you do not refund the money - this is exactly what you are doing.

    Not even joking. Besides, my wife hates when I date other ladies, so I might as well stay serious.

    I just reread the OP's first several posts to this thread and they didn't sound like he was joking.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • lermishlermish Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld & @NeophyteNumismatist

    OP has a history of making strong statements with a flip attitude and doesn't understand that his words have meaning and, since we are on a message board, we can't see/hear his tone of voice and body language.

    I took issue with him making guarantees about the price of gold and he called me a child. He decided that a coin forum was the appropriate venue to discuss investments and tried to play it off by asking if we had shares in CU; I don't need to tell you how absurd that is. He also constantly makes click-bait thread titles.

    My determination is that he is a total waste of time, bordering on trollish. Probably best avoided unless you like to laugh at him. YMMV.

  • MizzouMizzou Posts: 507 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 12, 2024 3:17PM

    @lermish,
    I'm sorry that you're still losing sleep about being called a child, I thought I was talking to an adult.

    Sometimes I think that animals are smarter than humans, animals would never allow the dumbest one to lead the pack

  • lermishlermish Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mizzou said:
    @lermish,
    I'm sorry that you're still losing sleep about being called a child, I thought I was talking to an adult.

    I'm losing zero sleep. But if/when I call someone out, I want to make sure I can demonstrate that I am not being unreasonable or a clown. That way, when serious posters read my post, they can see that I'm not just spouting off.

    If someone I respect on the boards tells me I'm in the wrong or to tone it down, I'll happily do that and reconsider my position and apologize if necessary. Hasn't happened yet here...

  • MizzouMizzou Posts: 507 ✭✭✭✭

    @lermish said:
    I'm losing zero sleep. But if/when I call someone out, I want to make sure I can demonstrate that I am not being unreasonable or a clown. That way, when serious posters read my post, they can see that I'm not just spouting off.

    When is that demonstration going to take place?

    Sometimes I think that animals are smarter than humans, animals would never allow the dumbest one to lead the pack

  • MizzouMizzou Posts: 507 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 12, 2024 7:05PM

    Children go to your rooms or you're not going to get your pudding

    Sometimes I think that animals are smarter than humans, animals would never allow the dumbest one to lead the pack

  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,159 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just refund the money!
    And get a good nights sleep

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