A couple of unattributed varieties newps from Heritage.

TwoKopeiki

Picked these two up at Heritage tonight. Both are un-attributed varieties that will eventually end-up in the properly described PCGS plastic.

First one is a lightly toned 1805-TH Mexico 8 Reales in PCGS AU55.

This is a less obvious example of a 5 over 4 overdate. I have roughly 20 examples documented across 4 or 5 die pairs, so while it's listed as Rare in Yonaka, it's definitely a more available variety.

Close-up of the overdate:

The second coins is one i'm pretty excited about. It's an unattributed 1815-JJ/HJ Mexico 8 Reales in an older NGC MS62 holder with an above-average strike and an overall appealing look to it. It's R2 in Yonaka and I have documented 7 examples so far. I have also certified 2 of those 7 in the past at NGC, one as AU58 and another as AU50, but neither would have crossed to PCGS nor were they as attractive as this coin. The best example of this variety for as long as I remember has been a nice PCGS AU55 owned by jfransch as part of his amazing portraits varieties set. I'm hoping this MS62 is as nice in-hand as it is in the photos to give John's coin a run for it.

What I also like about this variety is that unlike the 1805/4 above, this is one of the varieties with only one die pair ever documented. Plus it can also be seen with a naked eye.

davewesen

very nice, how can you tell if they attribute these?

TwoKopeiki

@davewesen said:
very nice, how can you tell if they attribute these?

Good question. I've had these varieties attributed in the past both at PCGS and NGC.

davewesen

The reason I asked is their variety page lists many US books but nothing foreign. I suppose if you have the PCGS number, they will. Last week I was under bidder on a Canadian coin that was not attributed, but I was not sure if they even would attribute it.

https://pcgs.com/varietyfaq

TwoKopeiki

@davewesen said:
The reason I asked is their variety page lists many US books but nothing foreign. I suppose if you have the PCGS number, they will. Last week I was under bidder on a Canadian coin that was not attributed, but I was not sure if they even would attribute it.

https://pcgs.com/varietyfaq

I think that page is specific to US coins. There is a library of reference materials used by World graders to attribute varieties. Additionally, I found that if you send a clear over-date or over-assayer that was previously unknown, the graders will also attribute it as a variety. For example, the 1815 JJ/HJ above clearly shows both the remains of the underlying H assayer, as well as a repositioned dot between assayers. Any decent world grader looking at it would see it for what it is.