Bob Melvin is a Jack A$$
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Today, Blake Snell had 15 K's through six innings!
The Giants team record is 16, set by Christy Mathewson in 1904, and tied by Jason Schmidt in 2006.
So, Snell was ONE strikeout away from tying the record; and Melvin pulls Snell out.
That is absolute BS!!!!!!!!!!
I DO NOT CARE about these pitch counts!!!!!
Your pitcher has struck out 15 of 18 batters, and is one K from the team record.....YOU GIVE HIM THE CHANCE AT TYING AND BREAKING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve
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While I'm not a big fan of Melvin and Snell could have gone a couple more batters for the record, its not always the managers decision. The Giants have been discussing trading Snell with multiple teams and none of those teams want to see Snell go out and run up a 120 or 130 pitches for a record in a meaningless game
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I am curious what Snell thought of the pull.
The problem is if the pitcher tears his rotator cuff throwing to the next batter, the manager may get fired. The manager isn't going to risk his job over some record.
Did Steve Carlton blow out his arm? NO!
Did Nolan Ryan blow out his arm? (well, actually he did, in 1993, after 27 years in the majors)!
Did Jim Palmer blow out his arm? NO!
Did Tom Seaver blow out his arm? NO!
Did Randy Johnson blow out his arm? NO!
Did Bob Feller blow out his arm? NO!
Did Warren Spahn blow out his arm? NO!
Managers (and pitchers) today ARE WIMPS!!!!!!!!!!
Steve
it's Ridiculous and that's the bottom line
I don't disagree with ya. But I'm sure there are countless more pitchers over the decades who were over-worked, even in the minors, etc, who could have possibly been excellent major league pitchers with a long career under a less strenuous, more controlled work schedule.
Just like QB's are protected in the NFL, good pitchers are not easy to come by. Limiting their pitch count simply isn't going to change at this point. They are too valuable a commodity for the teams and major league baseball.
Frankly with the huge money these players make today, I doubt very much if they really care all that much about any records. They'd rather stay as injury free as possible. Gotta make those payments on the mansion and yacht.
About the same as Norris when McLaren rigged the F1 race.
What do you think is making pitchers so frail these days? Pitchers used to throw as many as 60 complete games in a season and now very few have a single complete game. It also seems like there’s more money in sports and it seems like owners are even treating their teams like businesses. It’s ridiculous. Let the pitchers pitch!
My two-cents opinion about that is based on evolution.
Without doing a dissertation on anthropology (LOL), we humans evolved in certain ways to ensure the species continues. One of which was developing two arms that combined with weapon making techniques, could take down game animals much larger than us and protect us from dangerous animals much stronger than us.
So we developed a "throwing arm" to do just that, which turned out to work remarkably well.
However we didn't develop a throwing arm that would be able to throw hard many weapons at a given time. Although some of us could do that, most couldn't and would injure ourselves trying.
So despite all the modern training methods to increase our athleticism in various ways, not much can be done about the basic structure of the shoulder, elbow, etc.
Perhaps not from a fan standpoint who wishes to see records broken, and that's entirely understandable. But from a business standpoint, it's actually a very wise thing to minimize pitch count when possible.
BTW - Somewhere along the line in his career, I became a fan of Tom Brady. same way with Joe Montana, and a few other great NFL players who weren't Eagles. That being said, I noticed in some games when things weren't going his way, that Brady had developed a very bad habit of throwing things on the sideline to vent his anger.
Well I decided to take it upon myself to do something about it. I can't recall the email i used, his publicist, the team email, or whatever. But I clearly stated that Tom should not and can not continue to behave like that. The main reason is that he could very possibly tear his rotator cuff or injure his arm in some way, which could threaten his career.
Of course I never heard back from anyone. However I did notice after that, he ceased doing it. So perhaps the message got thru to him?
So when Brady is giving his HOF induction speech at Canton, and he begins naming a bunch of folks who aided him in his career, If he mentions a stevek, you'll know who that is. 😎
This is why we should have cyborgs. Q.E.D.
So someone who starts a post with a lesson on human evolution and finishes with saving Tom Brady’s career isn’t pompous……….. but Travis Kelce and the Chiefs are. 🙄
Some day it will happen, just a question of when.
When it does, rest assured that DraftKings will offer wagering on it. 😆
Its not like pitchers used to be invincible because some HOFers could do it. Steve Carlton retired at the age of 30 from arm injuries to name one. For every pitcher thats remembered for doing it theres thousands no one remembers or even knows of
Theres a lot going on with the injury question. Everything from work load as a kid to medical technology. MRIs werent even invested until the 1970s, before that instead of diagnosing a UCL or shoulder tear it was often just this guy is washed up type thing so injuries were under reported in the past. Kids now play over 100 games a year and the best pitchers are usually used as a work horse by their teams.
Style of pitching is different. Teams reward velocity so pitchers are max effort every pitch to get the call up. Maddux, Moyer and Buehrle would have trouble getting called up if they were drafted today. Some guys can throw high 90s with ease, most cant and takes them more effort which means more stress.
Even the ball itself now plays a factor now. The balls used to have higher seems and sticky stuff was overlooked. Now the balls have basically no seems and are very smooth to promote offense. Combine that with taking sticky stuff away other than sunscreen sweat and rosin and youre putting a lot more stress on pitchers forearms for them to grip the ball. Then add in that a lot more sliders and cutters are being thrown instead of primarily fastballs and its easy to see how all the things combined stack on each other leading to the case of a higher injury rate.
Even with all that though with Snell the Giants are in active talks to trade him. Theres at least 6 teams actively making offers for him and he spent time on the DL this year with multiple injuries. Someones getting fired if he gets hurt chasing a team record
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No dissertation needed. MLB is toast as America's national pastime. Attendance is bloated by corporate season tickets that often are vacant. Cable dollars from folks that never watch the sport support the quarter billion dollar team payrolls. Wagering on baseball is not all that interesting so do not know how much that contributes.
Probably get some sponsorship dollars from Rolex, or whichever clock times the pitches.
Gee, I thought you'd enjoy the post about evolution, being that Travis Kelce is considered sort of a missing link on the evolutionary scale. 😆
What?????
Steve Carlton was born in 1944; meaning he turned 30 in 1974.
He won three of his four Cy Young Awards after turning 30 (in 1977, 1980 and 1982), and he retired at 40 in 1988!
He also won 196 games and struck out 2,412 batters after turning 30!
Steve
Personally, I believe a major factor is the crackdown on "PED"s and other pharmaceutical products. Players nowadays can't take the medicines/drugs that prior generations used to be able to stay active and injury-free!
The people who think PEDs only came around in the 1990s are idiots; they've been used darn-near forever!
It's also not affecting only pitchers. Every player is affected; look at how many players are going on the injury list every year! You never saw so many injuries as there have been over the last few years.
We are now seeing the negative effects of banning PEDs and other medicines.
Steve
stevek, I want to give you a huge "attaboy" and thank you for getting through to my Tommy. I also had the same concerns for a few years. I am glad that you were able to get through to him. for some reason he never responded to any of my emails or texts.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I am pretty sure he meant Koufax.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I hate the way pitchers are being used now. forget the giants all time team record, If he had 15 ks through 6, he could have challenged the all time record of 20 k's. it is a shame really.
I find the baseball less and less interesting as it continues its slow slog to a 3 outcome game. k's. BB's and HR's.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I'll elaborate a bit further for the idea. I always had a good strong right arm, pitched in little league. Played LF in high school and had no problem throwing a baseball accurately from left field to home plate on the fly.
I was around 25 years old, I'm at the horse race track, had a bad losing day, and on the way out I throw the racing form full force against the wall. Well i actually heard my rotator cuff tear. I knew the millisecond it happened what I had so foolishly done. It has never properly healed to this day.
Playing in a softball league later on, I couldn't play left field any longer. After a few long throws, my arm would completely give out. I switched to shortstop, and the shorter throws to first base, I used a sort of side arm motion and was okay.
But that's what I was thinking about when I sent Tom the email. Yes he's all warmed up and everything during a game. But say throwing his helmet or whatever in anger, is an unnatural arm movement for him which could have resulted in the same injury that foolishly happened to me.
If I'm ever at an autograph show and Tom is sitting there signing. I'll be sure to very quickly mention the story to him. If he says something like, "Oh so you're the guy?" I'll say yes, and how about giving me a free autograph. LOL
Koufax is an excellent example of a pitcher who very likely would have had a longer career with a pitch count regimen.
Good lord, this nonsense again.
Comparing pitchers of eras gone by to today's pitchers is so hilariously ignorant it is not even worth arguing. Today's pitchers are not 'soft'; managers pulling them are not 'idiots'; anyone stating either/both of these are ignorant of baseball as a whole.
I do not have time for ignorant trolls.
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Meanwhile World Series TV audience has dropped by two thirds since the smarter people took over.
You take this place too seriously. I think this forum is just for jokes.
I did. My apologies
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Imagine being so dense as to compare these two entirely unrelated topics.
I do not have time for ignorant trolls.
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The owners spending the last several years telling us how bad MLB is and making drastic rule changes has had some impact since college baseball ratings and attendance are skyrocketing, to be fair the teams matter. It was Texas vs Arizona. Arizona while a big market isnt a huge national brand. The games also start absurdly late for people in the Eastern Time Zone.
The owners and league trashing their product for major changes certainly isnt going to have someone see it out but the teams do matter. Texas Arizona or Tampa Miami isnt going to bring the same ratings that Houston Dodgers would or the dream scenario for the league of Yankees Dodgers
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Must be the Bud Light commercials then.
I’m sure he set the team record for strikeouts facing 18 batters
And I’m sure baseball has that stat they have a stat for every thing.
Just saying
Martin
The year is 2024 and some dinosaurs still look at ratings to determine how popular something is.
Hilarious.
The NBA finals in 2024 ratings were about half of what they were in 2015, yet the league just inked a broadcast deal 3x larger than the one signed in 2014.
Try again.
I do not have time for ignorant trolls.
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Popcorn
Im worried about dinosaurs for very different reasons.
It's almost like there's a billion other alternatives for people to watch.
Smoky Joe Wood, Sandy Koufax, Herb Score, Mark Fidrych, the Billy Ball A's starters, and on and on. There's a long line of guys whose pitching careers ended because of arm injuries.
Needs more butter and bass.
Shh! Don't use logic or reason with these people. Their heads will explode.
I do not have time for ignorant trolls.
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To be honest, I don't like to talk baseball much. Olympics are much more interesting. The two threads got closed. and that was being generous by the mods.
BTW. my Avatar is Ray Oyler. The Red Wings guy should recognize him.
Ray was retired before I was born but I am definitely familiar with him!
Blake Snell throws a no hitter tonight.
Congrats!🥳
Not only does the Cy Young winner have to stare down 3 hitters...he has to fear that the putz manager will pull him.
Thinking about this, no way in hell does Melvin pull Snell in the 9th with a live no hitter.
Would have been wise to have tipped of the pitcher that the inning was his.
Melvin was a catcher...should have more consideration for the other half of the battery.
https://x.com/NBCSGiants/status/1819569208898080915
Thats what Snell actually said not what its trying to be turned into. Every pitcher is also aware that they have a limit
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Yeah... 9 innings.
No 9 innings isnt the limit of a pitchers workload on a given day and they know that
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