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Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 411 ✭✭✭
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If anyone happens to go can you please report if there is a 1976 George Brett PSA 9 for sale. If so what is the price? I have not seen one for sale since I returned to the hobby and I want to get an idea on the current market value.

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  • mcastaldimcastaldi Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭

    I was there yesterday. I saw a couple 8s but don't remember seeing any 9s. However, it's possible that one of the auction houses was listing one since I didn't check those.

    I'd be VERY surprised if one was out on the floor because overall the show was a really tough go for anyone looking for nice 70s stuff regardless of whether raw or graded. And considering that's a $5k+ card it would have seemed really out of place among the deluge of VG/EX that made up almost all of the 70s stuff I saw.

    So full of action, my name should be a verb.
  • Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 411 ✭✭✭

    Any opinion on why there was not much high end 70's material? You would think its more available than high grade 50 and 60's.
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  • BBBrkrrBBBrkrr Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mcastaldi said:
    I was there yesterday. I saw a couple 8s but don't remember seeing any 9s. However, it's possible that one of the auction houses was listing one since I didn't check those.

    I'd be VERY surprised if one was out on the floor because overall the show was a really tough go for anyone looking for nice 70s stuff regardless of whether raw or graded. And considering that's a $5k+ card it would have seemed really out of place among the deluge of VG/EX that made up almost all of the 70s stuff I saw.

    So, is there just no vintage around or just nothing from the 70s?

    Does that mean it's all recent years everywhere?

    What has happened to the vintage market? Am I one of the few left chasing it???

  • brad31brad31 Posts: 2,774 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There was plenty of vintage. Did not notice lack of 70s but I was buying mostly 50s. Vintage tables were packed and sales were brisk anywhere that was priced close to VCP.

  • mcastaldimcastaldi Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭
    edited July 26, 2024 4:28PM

    @BBBrkrr I focus on 70s stuff, and 74-84 in particular. There was plenty of vintage stuff. And there really was quite a bit of 70s stuff. That said. . .I'd guess 90% of the 70s stuff I'd put somewhere between VG/EX and EX. That's why I said it was a tough show for anyone looking for nice 70s. I mean if you were just looking for cards that allowed you to check off the box on your checklist, you had options. I'm building raw 74-84 sets that range from strict NM+ (74-79) to NM/MT (80-84) and for that level of quality, the the pickings were extremely slim - even if you were looking for high quality 70s graded stuff.

    There were plenty of 50s and 60s but I can't speak to the quality of the raw stuff from those years. But there did seem to be a lot more graded available from 50s and 60s than for 70s.

    So full of action, my name should be a verb.
  • mcastaldimcastaldi Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭
    edited July 26, 2024 5:43PM

    @Yankees70 I'm not sure anyone can say with any certainty. But, I have theories.

    I think a lot of it has to do with the state of unopened material.
    For the 50s and 60s, there's very little left unopened. So most everything has filtered its way through the system over the years. But for 70s and 80s stuff. . .unopened stuff was getting cracked and filtering its way outward. But. . .as prices for cards got crazy, prices for unopened - esp 70s and 80s got REALLY crazy.

    Here's an example of the dynamic. Back in the early 2000s, I was building a graded 72 set and 75 set. A friend of mine was building graded sets from 76-81. That was doable from your own submissions in those days because you'd pay say a couple/few hundred bucks for an 80T rack box, crack it, submit what was gradeable to PSA for $8/card. . .and make enough from selling off the duplicates to cover the cost of the box, the grading fees, and all the graded stuff you kept for yourself. And even if you had a totally crap box, you were only out a couple hundred bucks.

    Fast forward to today. . .80T rack boxes go for >$6k. . .80T wax boxes for >$3k. Then grading is up to $18/card. You have to have a pretty sensational box to make that math work.

    The end result of that, the unopened material from the 70s and 80s isn't being opened. And nothing I've seen tells me that's going to change any time soon. As a result. . .I think we're seeing the early stages of really high end 70s (and early 80s Topps) becoming more and more scarce.

    I don't know that this is what's happening, but it does fit with my experience and knowledge.

    So full of action, my name should be a verb.
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  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 8,968 ✭✭✭✭✭

    But they left the King Fu box behind!😀

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  • threeofsixthreeofsix Posts: 579 ✭✭✭✭

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:
    But they left the King Fu box behind!😀

    Buy 1962 Topps baseball - get Kung Fu for free?

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  • mintonlyplsmintonlypls Posts: 2,003 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That’s only $16,500/pack…

    mint_only_pls
  • VagabondVagabond Posts: 584 ✭✭✭✭

    I could never buy anything. Not just because I can't afford it but because I would be so tempted to open it. With my luck, the whole box would be OC too.

  • bgrbgr Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’ve had mostly regrets from opening wax boxes. I like how the photo of that 62 wax box in the video was taken at 11:11 - make a wish time I’m told.

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