F1 racing now joins the corrupted junk heap.
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BUDAPEST (AP) — Australian driver Oscar Piastri won his first Formula One race after teammate Lando Norris handed him back the lead to complete a McLaren one-two at the Hungarian Grand Prix on Sunday.
That outstanding result came after a long and at times awkward back-and-forth between the British team and its top driver before Norris finally obeyed orders to let Piastri back in front.
Piastri started second behind pole-sitting Norris and beat him to the first turn. Norris then got ahead after a pit-stop strategy that favored him despite being behind his teammate, but he eventually listened to team orders and let Piastri take the victory.
“This is the day I dreamed of as a kid, standing on the top step of the podium,” the 23-year-old Piastri said. “A bit complicated at the end, but I put myself in a good position off the start.
“I had a lot of trust in Lando, and I think it was a fair decision to swap us back at the end.”
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This sounds like team racing to me. Really. This is how it has always been.
An opportunity for wagering mayhem?
Maybe next time just leave a bit of air out of the champs tires. Less obvious is better.
people actually bet on F1 ?
fools and their money
About the same as betting on horses.
Corrupt?
How to say you've never watched real racing without saying you've never watched real racing (and no, NASCAR is not 'real' racing any sense of the word).
I do not have time for ignorant trolls.
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Attended Indy500 twice. In 1981 I was a guest of McLaren Engines.
F1 twice. Guest of no one, but had a photo pass for the second race.
Sure team members will help each other, but fixing a race is below the apron.
This isn’t considered race fixing in the sport and never has been.
And doping was kosher in cycling. Well, until Lance got busted.
No. Doping wasn't legal in cycling. Teams can race how they want and this was all strategy. If you look at what happened between Verstappen and Hamilton you might see why teams don't want their drivers battling for 1 & 2. Here there was a pit strategy, and it worked perfectly, and the outcome was as anyone would expect.
I don't see any comparison to cycling. This wasn't cheating or fixing a race. This was team racing. McLaren is focused on winning their first championship since 1998 and the drivers are on Team McLaren.
Lance Armstrong. Cycling. Just Wow.
This doesn't read like anything unusual in F1.
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Fifty years ago, I pretty much lived at the horse track. Friend's family began putting together a stable of trotters. Robert Ritchie was their driver and he was a close friend with top teamster, Greg Wright.
Things were not going so well at first and Ritchie was struggling. Claiming race, and Ritchies horse, Delta O'Dell was about 50 to 1. Greg's horse was favorite or close to it. Came down to a duel down the long DRC stretch. Wrights horse won by a nose.
After the race, Wright confided that he almost let his friend win.
He didn't though. He had integrity and respected the folks in the stands with wagers on the race. Furthermore, he would have risked a lifetime ban, not a Bob Baffert slap on the wrist.
We have degraded to where Brady gets a pass for cheating, as he is the GOAT. Hitters on wonder drugs, they are beginning to get consideration for the HOF with at least a couple already getting the golden ring.
No reason to pay a thousand or 5 for a ticket to FI as the outcome is determined by the schlub on the radio, not the athlete risking his life behind the wheel.
That's all wonderful, but you're missing the point. It's a team sport.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_orders
I think that you're wrong to call this cheating or to imply that it's in related to wagering in general. Some times teams let their drivers go at it. Some times they don't.
Point is, if Piastri and Norris are going at it for those 24 laps or so McLaren might not have a driver on the podium at all. We're over half-way through the season and it's all about team points right now. Verstappen has been a force this season and even with Norris in 2nd I don't see him catching Verstappen, but putting 2 on the podium was big for McLaren.
Brady? deflate-gate? Did you look at the NFL report? I don't think this was a good look for the NFL.
Norris does not seem to be convinced that he was not shafted.
McLaren boss Andrea Stella says that far from being upset with Lando Norris’ initial refusal to follow instructions from the pit wall and let his team mate past for victory on Sunday, he would have been “very concerned” had the Brit simply waved Oscar Piastri through without a word of complaint.
Pole-sitter Norris dropped behind team mate Oscar Piastri when Sunday’s encounter at the Hungaroring got under way, with the Australian managing to build a comfortable advantage and maintain the lead through the opening round of pit stops.
However, with McLaren later feeling threatened by the power of the undercut from cars behind, they elected to bring Norris in for fresh tyres before Piastri during the second sequence of stops – leading to the two cars swapping positions given the pace offset.
Piastri was told by his race engineer not to worry about the development, with Norris being asked to move aside and relinquish P1 given that he had gained it in the pit lane, only for the Briton to initially question the call and show some reluctance.
Eventually, via several pleas from engineer Will Joseph that included being reminded about McLaren’s pre-race meetings, Norris backed off and allowed Piastri through, but it was a moment that sparked plenty of debate amongst onlookers.
Norris does not seem to be convinced of what? He should be mad. What does he need to be convinced of though? It's not his team.
There's also the critical detail of that pit strategy and then there's whatever abstracted nonsense from some reporter that you're regurgitating to me. I am doubting that you watch much F1 racing.
Lando Norris at 1:30
This reminds me of the Daytona 500 a few years back. 2 Penske drivers,Lagano and Keslowski we're going at it for the win. Less than a length to go they wreck each other going for the win. 2 teammates. This gave Michael McDowell the win. Needless to say both drivers got a dressing down from Roger Penske. And Keslowski got the boot.
The race left an indelible memory on me as I had bet both drivers for win. Another bad beat.
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All that might be but the sport is growing in popularity in the US at an amazing clip the last few years. Big money event here in Vegas in November!
Vegas might be the only honest race in the series. Don't want to piss off 200 bookmakers.
I was at the F1 in Vegas last November. It’s not a great track for racing and it’s not a great venue for fans unless you like the grandstands there. We watched the race from the club at the Virgin. And of course all of Vegas was dripping with Verstappen fans. I’ll go again though for sure. If only to see the traffic carnage it causes.
Bookmakers need to take into consideration the sport. I’ll go get my violin.
You clearly know nothing about F1.
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take a decent sport like racing and give it the eurotrash treatment and you get F1
almost as exciting as cricket or the so called football they play
F1 >>>>>>>>>>>>> nascar trash
Football >>>>>>>>> american football
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i dont watch Nascar but I'll go to any local track on a Weekend and watch regular people race
Why compare Nascar and F1 anyways when you can compare IndyCar and F1 which are both open-wheel series racing. I like GT level overall. I like how there are multiple class races happening within the same race.
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On TV I will only watch racing at Mt Panorama !
as far as open wheel goes I will watch the Isle of man TT
i once attended a dirt track racing event in Flemington, NJ.
I think half the fans were there to see if any of the drivers would get in a major crash. It sure seems like they tried their hardest to do just that. No room to pass...just try to bowl right over the car in front of you. LOL
Kind of like went to see a car wreck and a race broke out or went to see a hockey fight and a game broke out.
No major crash happened, just some bumping, etc. Actually a lot of bumping. But it was hilarious in that the crowd watching the race seemed a bit bored with it all. I think a lot of the attendees were from the local NJ area, and probably went there frequently.
That being said, the second it appeared that a crash might occur, they all stood up and were suddenly awakened with intense interest. LOL