What causes this spot? Morgan

johnny010

03-P 64 PL, reverse.
What causes this? Same holder since at least 1989.

ifthevamzarockin

Maybe a planchet impurity. (carbon)

johnny010

Is an imperfection like this considered normal and acceptable, or does it cause the coin to be considered a C?

ifthevamzarockin

Something that small and close to the rim wouldn't bother most collectors.
It is fairly common on silver dollars and is acceptable unless in the main focal area of the coin.

Cougar1978

Appears to be a carbon spot.

Where it appears can matter in terms of a C opinion of the coin from a prospective buyer. I try look at the overall attractiveness of the coin / however I try to carefully screen that material as I am buying items for inventory not to fill some hole in a collection.

M4Madness

@ifthevamzarockin said:
Something that small and close to the rim wouldn't bother most collectors.
It is fairly common on silver dollars and is acceptable unless in the main focal area of the coin.

My most recent purchase has one dead center of the obverse (among other places). Lol! I paid a nice sum for it and don't care in the least.

(Just realized I've been on this forum a year today.)

PerryHall

I wouldn't call it a carbon spot since it isn't black. Since it's mostly blue in color, it looks like a spot of toning. Not anything to be concerned with.

MFeld

@johnny010 said:
Is an imperfection like this considered normal and acceptable, or does it cause the coin to be considered a C?

It doesn’t make sense to discuss whether the spot causes a coin to be a “C” coin without having the perspective of knowing the grade. Even with the spot, depending upon the assigned grade, the coin could be a “B” coin, an “A” coin or under graded.

jmlanzaf

@MFeld said:

@johnny010 said:
Is an imperfection like this considered normal and acceptable, or does it cause the coin to be considered a C?

It doesn’t make sense to discuss whether the spot causes a coin to be a “C” coin without having the perspective of knowing the grade. Even with the spot, depending upon the assigned grade, the coin could be a “B” coin, an “A” coin or under graded.

People continue to be really confused by ABC.

Atcarroll

@PerryHall said:
I wouldn't call it a carbon spot since it isn't black. Since it's mostly blue in color, it looks like a spot of toning. Not anything to be concerned with.

I've seen it before when coins were in 2x2s with a pinhole in the mylar. They'll develop a spot where the pinhole is.

johnny010

@MFeld said:

@johnny010 said:
Is an imperfection like this considered normal and acceptable, or does it cause the coin to be considered a C?

It doesn’t make sense to discuss whether the spot causes a coin to be a “C” coin without having the perspective of knowing the grade. Even with the spot, depending upon the assigned grade, the coin could be a “B” coin, an “A” coin or under graded.

Fair enough but I did post it’s a 64PL.

MFeld

@johnny010 said:

@MFeld said:

@johnny010 said:
Is an imperfection like this considered normal and acceptable, or does it cause the coin to be considered a C?

It doesn’t make sense to discuss whether the spot causes a coin to be a “C” coin without having the perspective of knowing the grade. Even with the spot, depending upon the assigned grade, the coin could be a “B” coin, an “A” coin or under graded.

Fair enough but I did post it’s a 64PL.

I apologize for having missed that. I don’t believe that a spot of that size and location would make any difference between an A, B or C coin.

joeykoins

It's funny this topic is brought up.
I have this nice 1887p Morgan, with the same issue. In which, I'm contemplating to send out or not?
It's the "Super CD" VAM 3A. With the fish hook in her mouth, along with a few more die clashes.
The carbon spots are evident!
My coin dealer friend sez, it shouldn't keep it from straight grading.
What do you guys think.

Thank you, OP

DisneyFan

@MFeld said:

@johnny010 said:
Is an imperfection like this considered normal and acceptable, or does it cause the coin to be considered a C?

It doesn’t make sense to discuss whether the spot causes a coin to be a “C” coin without having the perspective of knowing the grade. Even with the spot, depending upon the assigned grade, the coin could be a “B” coin, an “A” coin or under graded.

Would a larger spot make it a "details" coin?

pmh1nic

@joeykoins said:
It's funny this topic is brought up.
I have this nice 1887p Morgan, with the same issue. In which, I'm contemplating to send out or not?
It's the "Super CD" VAM. With the fish hook in her mouth, along with a few more die clashes.
The carbon spots are evident!
My coin dealer friend sez, it shouldn't keep it from straight grading.
What do you guys think.

Thank you, OP

My opinion…given the amount of chatter on this coin I wouldn’t consider it “nice”. That said I don’t think the spots matter on a coin that would otherwise be a 60-63 versus a coin that would otherwise be a 64 or higher.

M4Madness

I've been looking at this XF45. Would the majority here be scared away by the spots? Is it safe to assume that "conservation" would not remove them? The obverse is spot-free.

RobertScotLover

I will not own a silver classic coin with a carbon spot. If the soft is blue no problem

TomB

@M4Madness said:

I've been looking at this XF45. Would the majority here be scared away by the spots? Is it safe to assume that "conservation" would not remove them? The obverse is spot-free.

The spots on this coin might be what is left on the surfaces after it has already been conserved. Truly, with such a limited view of the coin I cannot tell.

Cougar1978

The large ugly black spots on it unacceptable to me. It’s what I call a cull. One shooting themself in the foot buying that material. Just blow it out at your go to auction venue. I would start it slightly below melt. Good luck getting rid of it (tuition time). Just write off the loss in the sales journal, move on.

M4Madness

@Cougar1978 said:
The large ugly black spots on it unacceptable to me. It’s what I call a cull. One shooting themself in the foot buying that material. Just blow it out at your go to auction venue. I would start it slightly below melt. Good luck getting rid of it (tuition time). Just write off the loss in the sales journal, move on.

I'm not sure which coin you are referring to in this thread. I do NOT own the XF45 coin with the large black spots on the reverse I posted four posts up, but I saw it for sale for around $6000. Definitely way above melt.