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handymanhandyman Posts: 5,364 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited July 18, 2024 8:38AM in U.S. & World Currency Forum

Anything I should take out and look at or any good value?










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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,547 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There's definitely some value there. You aren't going to get rich, but they are collectible.

  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,224 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What does the tital of the thread mean?
    Also question on really old collection off bulls

  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,364 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Typo. Fixed

  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,224 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @handyman said:
    Typo. Fixed

    LOL
    I thought so
    Anyway
    It all depends on the conditions of the bills.some look nice and I think it would be a good idea if you maybe brought them to a "trusted dealer" to get them checked out,
    Good luck

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Quite a group.

    Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
  • tcollectstcollects Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm pleasantly surprised, these are much more interesting and valuable than the coins

  • jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice find. Definitely some value here. The $10 and $20 gold notes are in the $300- $500 range each and the $1 Education note in that condition is $500+. Also the better looking of the 1917 $2. Legal Tender note is in the $400 range. IMO

  • GreenstangGreenstang Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Speaking for the Canadian 20’s, there is not too much value over face in them.
    That series had over 225 million printed and they are not in the best of shape.
    As noted above, this is the coin forum, you might get more responses in the US
    currency forum.

  • hfjacintohfjacinto Posts: 874 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There is some value in what you have. The gold certificates are in the $300-$400 range. The $100 red seal is around $250-$350.

    The Educational note is fake as it’s way too small. That does worry me since if one is fake are the others?

    The small sized notes are around $50 (federal reserve bank notes).

    The obsoletes I’m not knowledgeable on.

    Like was posted above you have value there.

  • CRHer700CRHer700 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @hfjacinto said:
    There is some value in what you have. The gold certificates are in the $300-$400 range. The $100 red seal is around $250-$350.

    The Educational note is fake as it’s way too small. That does worry me since if one is fake are the others?

    Also I don't see any colorful threads like the ones on the $2 underneath.

    The obsoletes I’m not knowledgeable on.

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  • SaorAlbaSaorAlba Posts: 7,553 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The CSA $100 in the second photo is a facsimile, as is the Virginia Treasury $100 in the last photograph.

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  • CopperindianCopperindian Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ANA is coming up in less than a month. There will be a number of currency dealers there, so it would be worth a drive if you live in a close enough distance. Plus, I’m sure PMG could advise you as to what you have in this small hoard that’s worth or advisable to have graded. Several ways to go, including the currency forum here. I’m not a currency expert, but like others, I see enough value here to explore any/all of the above options.

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,510 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 17, 2024 11:03PM

    @hfjacinto said:
    There is some value in what you have. The gold certificates are in the $300-$400 range. The $100 red seal is around $250-$350.

    The Educational note is fake as it’s way too small. That does worry me since if one is fake are the others?

    The small sized notes are around $50 (federal reserve bank notes).

    The obsoletes I’m not knowledgeable on.

    Like was posted above you have value there.

    The 1966 red-seal $100 on top is not a star note and looks like it is perhaps VF grade. So I think it is worth about $150 to $200. The similar note under it is a star note, and it appears to be better grade and worth a good amount more ($500-$800).

    The Educational $1 note looks genuine to me. It looks small because it is next to a large modern reprint of a Virginia $100 Treasury Note.

  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 18, 2024 4:36AM

    @dcarr said:
    I see a 1966 red-seal $100 with star serial number in EF-AU grade, potentially worth about $500-$800.

    No, not that much. Many stars of these around.

    The Educational $1 note looks genuine to me. It looks small because it is next to a large modern reprint of a Virginia $100 Treasury Note.

    Also, no. Look at size compared to plastic pages. VA treasury note copy is the same size as a large size note. I'm sorry to correct you, Mr. Carr.

    I answered the question over on the PM side. Read my response if you are interested in seeing what is good here and what isn't. The coin guys got it mostly right.

    Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,547 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 18, 2024 4:33AM

    @hfjacinto said:
    There is some value in what you have. The gold certificates are in the $300-$400 range. The $100 red seal is around $250-$350.

    The Educational note is fake as it’s way too small. That does worry me since if one is fake are the others?

    The small sized notes are around $50 (federal reserve bank notes).

    The obsoletes I’m not knowledgeable on.

    Like was posted above you have value there.

    The educational is probably real. It is the correct size. Look at the $2 underneath or his finger and not the oversized $100.

  • hfjacintohfjacinto Posts: 874 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 18, 2024 5:55AM

    More have been posted. There is a $2 Educational which looks real. That would be the highest value so far.

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1105514/old-bills-help-with-value#latest

    I still have concerns on $1 Educational. I measured it on screen and its slightly smaller than the $2 US Note underneath. Could it be the angle maybe. But it maybe trimmed, which would coupled with the condition lower its value even more.

    The $100 Red Seal, based on comparable sales on Ebay maybe even less valuable that $150. The $100 Red Seal Star Note has 2 sales on ebay for $395 to $405, yours maybe worth that if in comparable shape, but I can't tell as its covered.

  • jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The $1. Educational note looks real to me. The pictures look like they were taken at different times and distance from each other. Better individual pictures are needed.

  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 20, 2024 5:07AM

    No, guys, the $1 Educational is an undersized copy.

    I didn't catch it on my first look either and it's authenticity was questioned first by @hfjacinto which made me take another look and change my assessment. He is 100% right-too small. Look at the size of the note compared to the plastic holder, or the VA treasury note.

    It's a bit deceptive because the detail is much better than on most copies. That's why it fooled me at first glance.

    Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
  • jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 23, 2024 5:45PM

    I don't think so. If you look at the facsimile note above it, that looks to be oversized, making the Educational note appear undersized. That's why I'm saying an up and down comparison needs to be done with a note that is authentic to be sure.

  • jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @handyman, would you be able to take let’s say the $1. Educational note and the better of the two 1917 $2. Legal tender notes up and down from one another to compare their size. Thanks. This will show if it’s real or not size wise.

  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see what you are saying. Also the top plastic holder appears to be larger than the other plastic page pictured. You may be right. We need better pictures and/or the $1 photographed next to a known large or small size note.

    Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,510 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 8, 2024 2:31AM

    @sellitstore said:

    @dcarr said:
    I see a 1966 red-seal $100 with star serial number in EF-AU grade, potentially worth about $500-$800.

    No, not that much. Many stars of these around.

    @dcarr said:
    The Educational $1 note looks genuine to me. It looks small because it is next to a large modern reprint of a Virginia $100 Treasury Note.

    Also, no. Look at size compared to plastic pages. VA treasury note copy is the same size as a large size note. I'm sorry to correct you, Mr. Carr.

    I answered the question over on the PM side. Read my response if you are interested in seeing what is good here and what isn't. The coin guys got it mostly right.

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    I think you are mistaken on both counts.

    This image shows the dimensions of the plastic pouches (see red arrow):

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    This image shows two red arrows. The top arrow shows the dimension of the pouch, which is 11 inches.
    The lower arrow is exactly 67% of the length of the arrow above it. 67% of 11 inches is exactly 7-3/8 inches which is exactly correct for a large size note:

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    .

    On eBay, Series 1966 red-seal $100 STAR notes, in similar condition to what can be seen in the image, have recently SOLD for about $500 to about $900. Here are some:

    https://ebay.com/itm/315321647276
    https://ebay.com/itm/186480202644
    https://ebay.com/itm/126210828408

  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 19, 2024 4:51AM

    @dcarr You didn't bother to read my above post, where I state "I see what you are saying. Also the top plastic holder appears to be larger than the other plastic page pictured. You may be right. We need better pictures and/or the $1 photographed next to a known large or small size note." This point has been settled and I stand corrected, as I stated above. Why beat this dead horse? Just to disagree?

    As far as estimates go, I've always been conservative. This comes from working for an auction house where I was instructed to estimate and price everything to sell. The 1966 $100 LT has always been a common issue for stars. I'm seeing two different VFs in Heritage archives selling for two hundred and change during the past year. Certified XF-AUs can be had in the $400-$500 range but this note is uncertified and we can't see most of it, so I assign a conservative estimate based on what I see. Again, as I said above, we need better pictures.

    Here's the Ebay note that I would have chosen if I were looking to buy one retail. It was sold by a currency dealer. How much do you think your local brick and mortar shop, or even a currency dealer would pay to put another one in stock? Probably not $500-$900.

    So, when people who have discovered something that they seek to learn the value of, I tend to estimate what they could get for it if they sold it rather than what it would cost for them to buy another example. They are usually more interested in what they can sell it for rather than what it would cost to buy another. They tend to be less disappointed when they go to sell.
    https://ebay.com/itm/387262342269?_nkw=1966+100+star+note&itmmeta=01J5B97C1XD9QG954W9V8SECX1&hash=item5a2aa2647d:g:JLkAAOSwcdRmrrEn&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA0HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKltl91SunsfWGexSdq5lq%2Bv%2BtzdWBboPboMzUiXKL95Rh2RzaMSpChXFS%2FptI5ov7%2FVRkrpaKsygHb3uE7Qnp%2Bsd7MYIK86LStkP4CWMxv8o%2ByPkSbpsUlX%2FICv66Se9uPnFgnG%2F9SDKBFYPp38924PPOjq3SxBa%2BKqMq6VGvU4OxainOk9%2B%2B9sVLwMDEOTxfPJA0vDV%2BLJBTodB9rUsC1ALmgsB%2F6gRjCott7fUwSDUDOc%2BgQWaGsv4yN93m2cFLY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4TBnemqZA

    Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
  • synchrsynchr Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭✭

    Yes, lotsa value there.
    The Brown Seal National Notes from Philadelphia could be real winners as those notes can command stellar prices based on rarity and condition plays far less influence in pricing.

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