So anyone watch the mlb draft last night?

Darin

I did. The Royals got the best power hitter in college baseball, Jac Caglianone who played for Florida. He also pitched.
They also got a left handed pitcher whose name escapes me.
Who did your team get?

BTW I’m guessing this thread gets between 0-3 replies.

Basebal21

Condon from Georgia would like a word about the best power hitter over Cags. But yes Cags can also throw 100 he just has a lot of control issues. My guess is they stop letting him pitch and just want him to be a hitter.

Cleveland made a really weird pick 1st overall and seemed to have gone cheap, he had no business being the first overall pick. First rounder yes, first overall no

Red Sox got a good one with Montgomery if his ankle can heal. Watching him break his ankle during the supers was a hard look. A&M at one point ended up with a 3rd baseman and 2nd baseman in the outfield during the playoffs.

Feel bad for Moore getting stuck with the Angels. White Sox had a great pick theyll probably mess up. Preller for the Padres took high school guys as always. Honeycutt falling all the way down to the Os was surprising

perkdog

I will give a reply to help with the 0-3 replies prediction

I've never watched a MLB draft before nor did I ever give it a seconds thought

DocBenjamin

Ditto on not watching a draft.

Does the NIL money though encourage decent players to stay in school vs heading to Double or Triple A?

stevek

+1

Only because I took the over on the number of replies.

stevek

I saw where the Mets drafted a quarterback.

Their GM may be a bit confused.

Basebal21

@DocBenjamin said:
Ditto on not watching a draft.

Does the NIL money though encourage decent players to stay in school vs heading to Double or Triple A?

NIL has an impact for sure especially at the bigger programs like the SEC, most of the ACC, some of the Bug 12 and some random ones like Southern Miss and Dallas Baptist.

The facilities at the big programs play a big role too. The big programs the facilities and how you are treated are much better than what you have in the minors. Its a much better life in college than the minors too with the better facilities and often time better coaching

Maywood

Cleveland made a really weird pick 1st overall and seemed to have gone cheap.

Looking at what the Indians do season after season should probably give you a clue that they know what they're doing. They don't "go cheap" and they aren't cheap, they're just a small market team who must make judicious use of limited money. They can't go head-to-head with teams like the Yankees or Red Sox in the AL. What they do as well as any team in MLB is find and develop talent. Their front office personnel are among the best.

Ask @Darin about the Indians, his KC Royals go head-to-head and know about the talent.

The Cleveland annual salary right now is just over $100 million and they currently trail only Philly, whose annual salary is just about $250 million. I'd say they know what they're doing and I trust the choice of the Cleveland front office over the uninformed opinion of a chat room savant. But time will tell, Travis Bazzana may be a bust. The interesting thing about MLB is that drafted players typically need 2-5 years of development, especially hitters. The ocassional stunners like Roger Clemens and Paul Skenes are really exceptional phenomenons, nice to see when it happens.

Tonights game will be exciting if only because of Skenes, he was worked out well for the Pirates after some like myself doubted him and others here thought it a mistake to call him up. His current trajectory has him looking like a CYA and ROTY winner as well as the best thing to happen in MLB for a while.

bgr

Nothing the brewers did really blew my hair back. I like Wetherholt. It sounds like Payne will sign but he’s a project. It will be fun to look back though. Also looking forward to the ASG and seeing Skenes pitch with Contreras catching.

Basebal21

@Maywood said:
Cleveland made a really weird pick 1st overall and seemed to have gone cheap.

Looking at what the Indians do season after season should probably give you a clue that they know what they're doing. They don't "go cheap" and they aren't cheap, they're just a small market team who must make judicious use of limited money. They can't go head-to-head with teams like the Yankees or Red Sox in the AL. What they do as well as any team in MLB is find and develop talent. Their front office personnel are among the best.

Ask @Darin about the Indians, his KC Royals go head-to-head and know about the talent.

The Cleveland annual salary right now is just over $100 million and they currently trail only Philly, whose annual salary is just about $250 million. I'd say they know what they're doing and I trust the choice of the Cleveland front office over the uninformed opinion of a chat room savant. But time will tell, Travis Bazzana may be a bust. The interesting thing about MLB is that drafted players typically need 2-5 years of development, especially hitters. The ocassional stunners like Roger Clemens and Paul Skenes are really exceptional phenomenons, nice to see when it happens.

Tonights game will be exciting if only because of Skenes, he was worked out well for the Pirates after some like myself doubted him and others here thought it a mistake to call him up. His current trajectory has him looking like a CYA and ROTY winner as well as the best thing to happen in MLB for a while.

Travis Bazzana is a sub 6 foot 2nd baseman whose limited to second because of his arm. Hes too short to want him at first and they may test him in the outfield. Hes a good player but had no business going 1-1

Hes the first 2nd baseman ever to go `1-1. They went cheap and made a weird pick which there were rumors they wanted someone who would sign below slot.

There are no small market MLB teams, theres just teams and owners that act like it

bgr

There are no small market MLB teams

This doesn't become more true each time you say it. If you prefer, we can treat it like infinity. If there are no small market MLB clubs, then there's big market teams, bigger market teams, and biggest market teams. If you want to prove your point that there are no small market MLB clubs, then post their market valuations and let's figure out the variance. You could be right, but you're almost certainly wrong.

Basebal21

@bgr said:
There are no small market MLB teams

This doesn't become more true each time you say it. If you prefer, we can treat it like infinity. If there are no small market MLB clubs, then there's big market teams, bigger market teams, and biggest market teams. If you want to prove your point that there are no small market MLB clubs, then post their market valuations and let's figure out the variance. You could be right, but you're almost certainly wrong.

So me an MLB team worth less than 1 billion dollars, you cant. The only one close is Miami, is that a small market?

MLB teams in cities without an NFL team, theres 4. San Diego a massive city and market, Toronto a massive city and market, the Angels just out side of LA in a very large suburb, and the Brewers in a city of almost 600k people just outside of Chicago. The smallest technical market would be the Nationals, who are surrounded by over 6 million people in a close proximity in southern Maryland and Northern VA.

There are no small market teams

bgr

If I parse this correctly I am understanding you to say that there are no small market clubs, but there are clubs which have smaller markets than others. But the smallest market is a big number, so this means they are all big.

https://www.forbes.com/lists/mlb-valuations/

Here's the code.

import numpy as np;

Teams = [ 1.00, 1.20, 1.23, 1.25, 1.25,
1.32, 1.35, 1.43, 1.45, 1.46,
1.48, 1.60, 1.73, 1.78, 2.00,
2.05, 2.10, 2.20, 2.40, 2.55,
2.70, 2.80, 2.92, 3.00, 3.80,
4.22, 4.50, 5.45, 7.55 ]

mean = np.mean(Teams);
vari = np.var(Teams);
stdd = np.std(Teams);

print("Mean: ", mean);
print("Vari: ", vari);
print("Stdd: ", stdd);

dx = stdd * 2;

for team in Teams:
d0 = abs(team - mean);

if d0 >= dx:
    print(team);

Here's the output.

Mean: 2.4058620689655172
Vari: 2.122458739595719
Stdd: 1.4568660678304368
5.45
7.55

This tells me that we have at least two categories.

1. Yankees and Dodgers.
2. Everyone else.

This should prove it to anyone who knows what the above means.

Basebal21

@bgr said:
If I parse this correctly I am understanding you to say that there are no small market clubs, but there are clubs which have smaller markets than others. But the smallest market is a big number, so this means they are all big.

https://www.forbes.com/lists/mlb-valuations/

Here's the code.

import numpy as np;

Teams = [ 1.00, 1.20, 1.23, 1.25, 1.25,
1.32, 1.35, 1.43, 1.45, 1.46,
1.48, 1.60, 1.73, 1.78, 2.00,
2.05, 2.10, 2.20, 2.40, 2.55,
2.70, 2.80, 2.92, 3.00, 3.80,
4.22, 4.50, 5.45, 7.55 ]

mean = np.mean(Teams);
vari = np.var(Teams);
stdd = np.std(Teams);

print("Mean: ", mean);
print("Vari: ", vari);
print("Stdd: ", stdd);

dx = stdd * 2;

for team in Teams:
d0 = abs(team - mean);

if d0 >= dx:
print(team);

Here's the output.

Mean: 2.4058620689655172
Vari: 2.122458739595719
Stdd: 1.4568660678304368
5.45
7.55

This tells me that we have at least two categories.

1. Yankees and Dodgers.
2. Everyone else.

This should prove it to anyone who knows what the above means.

Code things how ever you want to try and change it.

Mets are in the same city as the Yankees.
Angels are just outside of LA.
San Diego is a 10 city in the country with Tijuana 20 minutes away
Chicago is massive, Houston is massive etc etc

No its not just the Yankees and Dodgers and everyone else and if thats the conclusion your coding is wrong

bgr

The software is just an implementation of math. Do you disagree with the math?

Basebal21

@bgr said:
The software is just an implementation of math. Do you disagree with the math?

I do believe in math which is why I know there are no small market teams. Your statement of

"This tells me that we have at least two categories.
Yankees and Dodgers.
Everyone else."

Tells me thats not math as does switching to programing code instead of discussing the subject

This was supposed to be about who was drafted for MLB.

I wont even bother speaking on any other teams for theres no small market teams, the Yankees and Mets have the exact same market that says enough

bgr

Yes. This was about the draft but you do seem to have your talking points.

I think you’re looking at population in the surrounding area alone it seems.

I found the mean.
Then I calculated the standard deviation of the set.
Then I multiplied the standard deviation by 2 so that I could asses if there were any outliers by measuring each sample vs. the mean.

I found the 2 that I listed. Generally speaking using 2 standard deviations is used for finding outliers.

It’s ok if you don’t agree but the code is a proper implementation of a scientifically accepted standard. If I’m wrong I would prefer understanding how I’m in error so that I can understand my domain better. But I won’t bring it up anymore as I’m not able to learn anything from naked assertions.

Basebal21

@bgr said:
Yes. This was about the draft but you do seem to have your talking points.

I think you’re looking at population in the surrounding area alone it seems.

I found the mean.
Then I calculated the standard deviation of the set.
Then I multiplied the standard deviation by 2 so that I could asses if there were any outliers by measuring each sample vs. the mean.

I found the 2 that I listed. Generally speaking using 2 standard deviations is used for finding outliers.

It’s ok if you don’t agree but the code is a proper implementation of a scientifically accepted standard. If I’m wrong I would prefer understanding how I’m in error so that I can understand my domain better. But I won’t bring it up anymore as I’m not able to learn anything from naked assertions.

As stated the Yankees and Mets have the exact same market. Anything that cant realize that well

Maywood

population of Cleveland, Ohio according to the 2020 census --- 361,607.
population of the "greater Cleveland area" comprised of five counties --- 2,185,825.
population base for NY Yankees and NY Mets --- 19,617,869.

You can parse it however you choose and use whatever convoluted logic you can find, I prefer to use facts which can prove to be very stubborn things. Another funny "fact" about the greater Cleveland area --- its outer reaches are actually just as close to Pittsburgh, but I digress.

Basebal21

Cleveland had the record for most consecutive sellouts for quite some time before they gutted their team in the late 1990s. Its still one of the longest to this day and they did it in a bigger stadium than the Red Sox did to pass them. Small market is really just code for loser. Winners get nation wide markets. Australians dont have Yankees and Lakers gear in their sports stores because theyre in the area of the team

As stated though Cleveland drafted Travis Bazzana hoping he will take an under slot contract and use that money elsewhere. They have unique leverage in this situation with the collapse of the Pac 12 and Oregon State not getting into a new conference. He risks getting even less money next year if he goes back to college and Oregon State isnt throwing around NIL money right now especially not in sports they dont make money on.

If he gets the full value of the slot his agent did an incredible job

JoeBanzai

I did not pay attention this year.

The Twins were actually decent last year and didn't have a high pick.
Being terrible for a few years has gotten them some great prospects.

I checked out their picks this year and wasn't impressed.

Maywood

@Basebal21, you are amazing. You talk as though you know all about all sports, but you really don't. Stay safe.

bgr

There's a non-zero possibility it's a chat bot.

Basebal21

@bgr said:
There's a non-zero possibility it's a chat bot.

While I always get a kick out of the wild accusations thats certainly a new and weird one from something that was posting computer coding as an argument

bgr

@Basebal21 said:

@bgr said:
There's a non-zero possibility it's a chat bot.

While I always get a kick out of the wild accusations thats certainly a new and weird one from something that was posting computer coding as an argument

Hey. I'm just kidding about being a chat-bot, but you're taking the code out of context here. I also explained the math, but I wanted to show an implementation of the math which demonstrated the result.

If you want to ignore the math, or discount it because I left nothing to the imagination - by way of showing an example software implementation - well fine.

End of the day, you're probably using 100 things in your life which use software that I've written so if you don't trust this -- stay off airplanes and out of cars.

Basebal21

@bgr said:

@Basebal21 said:

@bgr said:
There's a non-zero possibility it's a chat bot.

While I always get a kick out of the wild accusations thats certainly a new and weird one from something that was posting computer coding as an argument

Hey. I'm just kidding about being a chat-bot, but you're taking the code out of context here. I also explained the math, but I wanted to show an implementation of the math which demonstrated the result.

If you want to ignore the math, or discount it because I left nothing to the imagination - by way of showing an example software implementation - well fine.

End of the day, you're probably using 100 things in your life which use software that I've written so if you don't trust this -- stay off airplanes and out of cars.

I do try and avoid planes especially Boeing ones as much as possible. How can the coding lead to a conclusion that the Yankees and Dodgers are it and then everyone else?

Yankees and Mets have the same market, plenty of teams have the same market size as the Dodgers if not bigger. The Braves have basically the entire south east successfully blocking other teams from being there so far. How is an ownership groups use of money factored into it? How is brand value accounted for? How is the increase of popularity from winning accounted for? How is the history of the club accounted for?

Sports are pretty simple. If you win revenue increases and if you dont most fans dont really care. Theres also branding involved like the Cowboys who havent won a championship in a long time but are one of the biggest brands in the world sports wise.

bgr

I never really thought about it like that. Enlightening.

Basebal21

Number 2 pick Chase Burns signed with the Reds for 9.25 million a little shy of the 9.785 million for that picks slot and currently the biggest draft signing in history. Cleveland has a 10.58 million slot for Travis so we will see. Some rumors that Rockies might have to go over the 9 million slot to sign the 3rd pick Condon and could make him the biggest

Basebal21

And its official. Travis Bazzana has signed for 8.95 million. Thats not only 1.62 million under slot value but thats less than the #2 pick had already signed for

Basebal21

Charlie Condon the 3rd overall pick signed with the Rockies for 9.25 million which is actually over slot.

bgr

Is it good value for him for the Indians though?

Bazzana should have gone top 10 for sure and probably by 5th right?

Once everyone is signed I think that’s the time to look at what a team added. They saved with what seems like a good fit but they might spend that money signing other picks.

bronco2078

pic of me watching baseball draft

Basebal21

@bgr said:
Is it good value for him for the Indians though?

Bazzana should have gone top 10 for sure and probably by 5th right?

Once everyone is signed I think that’s the time to look at what a team added. They saved with what seems like a good fit but they might spend that money signing other picks.

Just going off talent 5 or 6 range depending on whether teams preferred hitters or pitchers.

1-1 picks shouldnt be value picks, Skenes even signed for more last year. He might be an okay player and a lot will be busts but he wasnt the best available