@Basebal21 said:
There are thousands and thousands that arent remembered or not known about. > @DocBenjamin said:
Thousands and thousands?
Maybe make a 50 pitch rules to accommodate the insecure. Hell, they have 11 or 12 men staffs. But then the 3 day rotation would cause consternation.
Actually more like 10s of thousands of guys that got hurt or their career was ruined by injury. MLB has 100s of pitchers on the roster, then theres the minors, college, international, high school etc.
There is a ton of stuff on pitch counts, grips, the ball etc with increased injury rates
Cost of playing the sport. Injuries destroyed the essence of the NFL. I get the precautions, but watching flag football is demoralizing. Look what years of hard training did to Ali. Knees go pop on the NBA floor on a regular basis. Lives have been lost in the NHL.
I dunno, maybe outlaw the games. Recreate them in 3D with artificial intelligence.
For every old time top notch pitcher thats mentioned theres thousands and thousands of guys who had their careers ended from injuries that no one remembers
Or they end being a guy like Smoky Joe Wood who started just 49 more games after his famous 34-5 season at age 22 but managed to play several more years as an outfielder.
@Basebal21 said:
There are thousands and thousands that arent remembered or not known about. > @DocBenjamin said:
Thousands and thousands?
Maybe make a 50 pitch rules to accommodate the insecure. Hell, they have 11 or 12 men staffs. But then the 3 day rotation would cause consternation.
Actually more like 10s of thousands of guys that got hurt or their career was ruined by injury. MLB has 100s of pitchers on the roster, then theres the minors, college, international, high school etc.
There is a ton of stuff on pitch counts, grips, the ball etc with increased injury rates
Cost of playing the sport. Injuries destroyed the essence of the NFL. I get the precautions, but watching flag football is demoralizing. Look what years of hard training did to Ali. Knees go pop on the NBA floor on a regular basis. Lives have been lost in the NHL.
I dunno, maybe outlaw the games. Recreate them in 3D with artificial intelligence.
I dont like a lot of the MLB and NFL rule changes either but some of the changes with the way games are managed is smart. Theres no reason to put guys at extra risk throwing a ton of pitches when the nature of the sport is going to have a lot of injuries anyways
For every old time top notch pitcher thats mentioned theres thousands and thousands of guys who had their careers ended from injuries that no one remembers
Or they end being a guy like Smoky Joe Wood who started just 49 more games after his famous 34-5 season at age 22 but managed to play several more years as an outfielder.
The two ways guys are always interesting. Hoffman started out as a failed short stop in the minors and ended up being one of the best closers of all time. Ankiel looked like he was going to be a stud on the mound before a combination of the yips and injuries lead to him having a couple decent years as an outfielder. It would have been interesting what Ruth could have done if he was allowed to keep pitching.
Tim Hudson is another guy I wonder about. He hit almost .400 with like a .670 slug and almost 20 hrs his last year at Auburn as a two way player. Once the As drafted him he wasnt really allowed to hit anymore
Its not as bad as it used to be at least not at the good college programs with the transfer portal but a great example is the 2004 draft. Towmsend. Humber, and Niemanm were all top picks. Absolute studs at Rice that were absolutely abused for wins at Rice. They were abused with pitch counts and innings. None of them could stay healthy. Townsend never made the pros, and the other two couldnt stay healthy there.
that's because they played for an old school coach. emphasis on old, as Wayne Graham didn't leave Rice until he was in his 80s. the man refused to pull starting pitchers.
there was a kid named Kenny Baugh who came out a few years prior to the three you mentioned, and he was every bit as talented. hurt his arm a year after he was drafted by the Tigers and never threw a single pitch past triple A. i'm sure the almost 400 innings he threw in his final 3 seasons at Rice did him no favors.
@Basebal21 said:
There are thousands and thousands that arent remembered or not known about. > @DocBenjamin said:
Thousands and thousands?
Maybe make a 50 pitch rules to accommodate the insecure. Hell, they have 11 or 12 men staffs. But then the 3 day rotation would cause consternation.
Actually more like 10s of thousands of guys that got hurt or their career was ruined by injury. MLB has 100s of pitchers on the roster, then theres the minors, college, international, high school etc.
There is a ton of stuff on pitch counts, grips, the ball etc with increased injury rates
Cost of playing the sport. Injuries destroyed the essence of the NFL. I get the precautions, but watching flag football is demoralizing. Look what years of hard training did to Ali. Knees go pop on the NBA floor on a regular basis. Lives have been lost in the NHL.
I dunno, maybe outlaw the games. Recreate them in 3D with artificial intelligence.
I dont like a lot of the MLB and NFL rule changes either but some of the changes with the way games are managed is smart. Theres no reason to put guys at extra risk throwing a ton of pitches when the nature of the sport is going to have a lot of injuries anyways
No fans and you have no $$250,000,000 team payrolls. Give them a thrill a half dozen times a year when a pitcher gives up zero hits through 6 or 7 innings. Almost like a tease. Used to dream of witnessing a perfect or near perfect game or catching a ball. Some idiot manager or GM thinks oh dear, glass arm has 100 pitches in, got to bench him.
All you end up with is the gamblers. They don't care who wins. Have no loyalty and are not buying logo clothing for double retail.
Its not as bad as it used to be at least not at the good college programs with the transfer portal but a great example is the 2004 draft. Towmsend. Humber, and Niemanm were all top picks. Absolute studs at Rice that were absolutely abused for wins at Rice. They were abused with pitch counts and innings. None of them could stay healthy. Townsend never made the pros, and the other two couldnt stay healthy there.
that's because they played for an old school coach. emphasis on old, as Wayne Graham didn't leave Rice until he was in his 80s. the man refused to pull starting pitchers.
there was a kid named Kenny Baugh who came out a few years prior to the three you mentioned, and he was every bit as talented. hurt his arm a year after he was drafted by the Tigers and never threw a single pitch past triple A. i'm sure the almost 400 innings he threw in his final 3 seasons at Rice did him no favors.
I never liked how Graham treated his staffs in his later years. They had a good run as one of the top programs for a while but recruits figured out he didnt care about their future which hurt them recruiting. I remember it was about what a decade later with Mark Appel the first overall pick in the draft from Stanford who was doing the same thing Graham used to do with egregious pitch counts. Its one thing to do it with guys that wont go to the pros who want to be out there but not top picks to get a couple more wins
Edit for the Kenny Baugh I forgot about him but that was a ridiculous work load when I looked him up. College pitchers shouldnt be putting up 140 innings especially not when managers dont care about pitch counts
Maybe make a 50 pitch rules to accommodate the insecure. Hell, they have 11 or 12 men staffs. But then the 3 day rotation would cause consternation.
MAYBE have legislation introduced to protect the kids from coaches pitching them until their arms explode. All I hear is how endangered kids are, yet this is a real, tangible threat (unlike the non-existent threats a certain segment of the population believes lie in wait); however, these same people are silent on protecting their kids from abusive coaches.
Who am I kidding? This will never happen. These same conspiracy-minded nutjobs are the same people who think their son Johnny's sporting career is going to propel them to wealth. They'd rather see Johnny throw until his arm falls off than actually protect their kid.
I do not have time for ignorant trolls.
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Anybody that decides they can no longer watch baseball is not going to change anything in how baseball is played. There is always room for improvement be it bad or good that we have to accept as there is no going backward. You either accept it or you dont and move on! I choose to accept it myself.
I never really made a choice. Since 2020, I have gradually begun to dread watching baseball. It has gotten to the point where I find it crushingly boring and would rather watch almost any other sport. That may or may not be completely MLB ‘s fault but their actions have certainly been a significant contributor.
I hope we don't end up with a law that says how many times you can throw a ball in a period of time.
"Dr. Cohen said the fastest growing segment of patients needing Tommy John surgery are 15- to 19-year-olds. He said the common theme is overuse from single sport specialization and year-round throwing."
This is a common theme. That much is true. Youth sports are becoming more and more of an industry. What isn't mentioned is that this isn't always the same injury as the common MLB UCL injury/tear which prompts a player's TJ surgery. The primary cause for Youth TJ surgery is referred to as 'Little League Elbow' and this is not a UCL issue, but rather damage, from overuse to the growth plates at the end of the arm bones which meet at the elbow. The Orthopedic community, I'm told, generally recommends against TJ surgery to correct this as it can cause long-term damage to the elbow. That there are Orthopedic surgeons who will perform this procedure on youths is something the AMA should make a statement on, but I don't think that a law is the right solution.
But please, tell me how you know more than trained medical professionals.
I would need clarification here. Know better than trained medical professionals in what way? I strongly believe that if anyone knew - trained medical professionals included - when an injury would occur, they would provide guidance on how to prevent the injury. In General. This should also apply here, specifically, to elbow injuries - in children, adults, or otherwise if another classification exists. I don't think anyone knows, and I don't think that lowering the threshold each time someone is injured with fewer and fewer pitches is a good heuristic process.
If you didn't watch the game, there were a few other points which haven't been discussed.
The Umpiring behind the plate - calling balls and strikes - was all over the place all game.
Skenes had over 60 pitches through the first 3 innings I recall - if I am off here, I suspect it was close to 60. That he got through the next 4 innings was a bit of a surprise to me after how the game went early on.
It was a pitchers game. Civale allowed 2 hits through 5 or so before he gave up a run in the 6th or 7th. There were shadows and the ball was coming from sun to shade. But in the 8th there were no more shadows. I'm not saying the Brewers would have benefited from Skenes staying in, but I was hoping they would leave him in there.
I think it was probably the right move by the manager. I would have wanted to let him start the 8th but it would have been a tough decision. Take him out and they tie it up... Leave him in and they tie it up... Leave him in and he gets injured... With how much value Skenes has to the organization I think this was the only decision. I didn't think anything of it when it happened the same way I didn't think anything of it when they pulled Burnes after 8 and let Hader finish up the combined no-no in '21.
I think a lot bigger problem is in the sport of race walking.
Slow running if you ask me. Lots of cheating going on there imo and nobody except me seems to concerned about it. 🤔
@tommyrusty7 said:
"RACE WALKING ", that is a sport? Gee, that sounds exciting! Remind me not to watch it.
Believe it or not I race walked at a 6th grade track meet in about 1975. Never practiced it, just saw the sign up sheet and saw it was walking, not running and I said that’s for me. Only advice coach gave me was don’t run. A few contestants got disqualified for running and I placed top 2 or 3 if I recall.
That was the beginning and end of my race walking career!
Now back to ruining pitchers arms or whatever thread I jumped into.
"We’ve seen spray-on hair, a spray-on dress and now — marathon-winning spray-on shoes.
Swiss sportswear brand On is the latest company to embrace advanced “spray-on” materials with a “revolutionary” robot-made sneaker it believes can improve performance at this month’s Olympics.
The Cloudboom Strike LS is lace-free and weighs less than the latest iPhone. Designed to be more adaptable, dynamic and supportive than your average running sneakers, the $330 shoes already have a convincing track record: Kenyan runner Hellen Obiri, an Olympic silver medalist and the only woman to have won indoor, outdoor and cross-country world titles, triumphed at this year’s Boston Marathon wearing a pair. She will don them again to compete in the Paris 2024 Games this summer."
Over the years have watched less.and less baseball. Not too many times have I watched a full game in the past 3 years. So when I do watch a full of partial game it almost seems new to me.
Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
Before the proliferation of younger and younger athletes needing TJ surgery, kids would play a variety of sports; football or soccer in the fall, an indoor sport like wrestling in the winter, then spring baseball.
Now, as more and more parents think little Johnny the ace pitcher is going to make them wealthy, they have them throwing year-round - school sports in the spring, travel leagues in the summer and fall, pitching camps in the winter. These kids are being pushed to throw more than ever, all while still physically developing.
Should they be fortunate to escape the youth circuit and play at a collegiate level, the intensity ramps up even higher with even more workload being foisted upon them.
It's no wonder teams protect their star pitchers - it's a miracle they even made it to the big leagues.
I do not have time for ignorant trolls.
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@Mistlin said:
Football is unwatchable. The same people who lament baseball games running 3+ hours seem to have no issue with a 60-minute game taking 4 hours to complete. Throw in the "analysts" who seem to be competing against one another as to who knows more, the inability to determine what is or is not a catch, and the game is not at all interesting.
its maybe 20 days a year usually on a sunday , not every day for 8 months
20 days a year?
Really?
18 weeks of games. If they only played on Sunday, that would be one thing. But....
15 weeks of Thursday night games, now up to 33. Week 18 has two saturday games. 35.That's all without pre- and postseason.
Regardless, the game itself is unwatchable.
Im a Pats fan, I watch the Pats but not every game. I will catch a few other games. I never watch thursday games. I only watch on regular TV .
They fragmented TV watching onto pay networks so I refuse to watch those.
Baseball and hockey have done the same
I used to watch more Bruins and Red Sox games but I haven't paid for NESN in decades . A pay network that runs fishing shows? Hard pass
why are we worried about the players health?
they are there to entertain me , they should be left out there until they are dead then replaced with the next man up
drag them off the field in a cart and toss them in a dumpster
you guys think sports is a moral industry ?
a player should go in to maximize their value for a big contract then leave while they can still walk.
get over the idea of people with 20 year careers , they are just cogswell cogs in the media machine now
if you want to consume pure sports find something that won't be on tv and watch in person
@bronco2078 said:
why are we worried about the players health?
they are there to entertain me , they should be left out there until they are dead then replaced with the next man up
drag them off the field in a cart and toss them in a dumpster
you guys think sports is a moral industry ?
a player should go in to maximize their value for a big contract then leave while they can still walk.
get over the idea of people with 20 year careers , they are just cogswell cogs in the media machine now
if you want to consume pure sports find something that won't be on tv and watch in person
Jesus - imagine being this heartless.
I do not have time for ignorant trolls.
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@bronco2078 said:
why are we worried about the players health?
they are there to entertain me , they should be left out there until they are dead then replaced with the next man up
drag them off the field in a cart and toss them in a dumpster
you guys think sports is a moral industry ?
a player should go in to maximize their value for a big contract then leave while they can still walk.
get over the idea of people with 20 year careers , they are just cogswell cogs in the media machine now
if you want to consume pure sports find something that won't be on tv and watch in person
Bronco would have been a regular patron at the Roman Colosseum, two thousand years ago. 😆
@bronco2078 said:
why are we worried about the players health?
they are there to entertain me , they should be left out there until they are dead then replaced with the next man up
drag them off the field in a cart and toss them in a dumpster
you guys think sports is a moral industry ?
a player should go in to maximize their value for a big contract then leave while they can still walk.
get over the idea of people with 20 year careers , they are just cogswell cogs in the media machine now
if you want to consume pure sports find something that won't be on tv and watch in person
Jesus - imagine being this heartless.
Fair...but the real damage most of them do to themselves with steroids and variations of them. Pretty much kiss the Liver goodbye after a few cycles.
@bronco2078 said:
why are we worried about the players health?
they are there to entertain me , they should be left out there until they are dead then replaced with the next man up
drag them off the field in a cart and toss them in a dumpster
you guys think sports is a moral industry ?
a player should go in to maximize their value for a big contract then leave while they can still walk.
get over the idea of people with 20 year careers , they are just cogswell cogs in the media machine now
if you want to consume pure sports find something that won't be on tv and watch in person
Jesus - imagine being this heartless.
Fair...but the real damage most of them do to themselves with steroids and variations of them. Pretty much kiss the Liver goodbye after a few cycles.
The use of the body builder inject yourself in the butt stuff that destroys you really isnt a thing anymore at least not in baseball. The bigger issue is the pain killers and shots that teams hand out like candy in the various leagues to keep guys on the field. The Skaggs issue really brought light to it and one of the reasons that the leagues stopped testing for weed is that a lot of players prefer that to popping pills
You know what's really strange? I could tell you all about 20th century baseball history and baseball cards (especially 70s/80s/90s) but for most of the 21st century? Not nearly so much. And that's kinda true for most things in general like history in general; I just think 60s-90s is the most interesting. And in this modern day and age of YouTube and whatnot where you can relive whatever history you want with a point and click of the mouse it's like why bother with most of the modern stuff? With baseball cards today and in the past several years sure I like Topps and Topps Heritage but most of the rest and all the gobs of 1/1's just kinda mostly get lost in the shuffle. Besides there is still much, MUCH I want to do achieve regarding 70s/80s/90s cards first.
Not sure if this was posted already here...but if you are pissed about Snell coming out of a game, then how about Garrett Crochet? He won't pitch in the playoffs unless he gets a contract extension. Can you imagine that. So that obviously really hurts his trade value.
To the OP, I'm on the cusp of joining you. I might just watch an an old episode of This Week in Baseball once per week during the season.
Not sure if this was posted already here...but if you are pissed about Snell coming out of a game, then how about Garrett Crochet? He won't pitch in the playoffs unless he gets a contract extension. Can you imagine that. So that obviously really hurts his trade value.
To the OP, I'm on the cusp of joining you. I might just watch an an old episode of This Week in Baseball once per week during the season.
He just got traded to the Dodgers with a 3 team trade involving the Cards. The media is kinda spinning it a bit and leaving out an important detail with Crochet. Will he actually sit out who knows, but this his first full year coming off a TJ surgery. As Im sure you know basically no one returns as an ace if they need a second one. He basically just wants financial certainty if hes going to be pitching more than he should be that first year back
Not sure if this was posted already here...but if you are pissed about Snell coming out of a game, then how about Garrett Crochet? He won't pitch in the playoffs unless he gets a contract extension. Can you imagine that. So that obviously really hurts his trade value.
To the OP, I'm on the cusp of joining you. I might just watch an an old episode of This Week in Baseball once per week during the season.
He just got traded to the Dodgers with a 3 team trade involving the Cards. The media is kinda spinning it a bit and leaving out an important detail with Crochet. Will he actually sit out who knows, but this his first full year coming off a TJ surgery. As Im sure you know basically no one returns as an ace if they need a second one. He basically just wants financial certainty if hes going to be pitching more than he should be that first year back
Fedde was the one who got traded in the deal. Crochet still on Sox as I write this.
Not sure if this was posted already here...but if you are pissed about Snell coming out of a game, then how about Garrett Crochet? He won't pitch in the playoffs unless he gets a contract extension. Can you imagine that. So that obviously really hurts his trade value.
To the OP, I'm on the cusp of joining you. I might just watch an an old episode of This Week in Baseball once per week during the season.
He just got traded to the Dodgers with a 3 team trade involving the Cards. The media is kinda spinning it a bit and leaving out an important detail with Crochet. Will he actually sit out who knows, but this his first full year coming off a TJ surgery. As Im sure you know basically no one returns as an ace if they need a second one. He basically just wants financial certainty if hes going to be pitching more than he should be that first year back
Fedde was the one who got traded in the deal. Crochet still on Sox as I write this.
I mixed up Crochet and Michael Kopech. My fault, someone told me it was Crochet earlier and I didnt check them. He certainly wont have to worry about the post season if the Sox dont move him
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Cost of playing the sport. Injuries destroyed the essence of the NFL. I get the precautions, but watching flag football is demoralizing. Look what years of hard training did to Ali. Knees go pop on the NBA floor on a regular basis. Lives have been lost in the NHL.
I dunno, maybe outlaw the games. Recreate them in 3D with artificial intelligence.
Or they end being a guy like Smoky Joe Wood who started just 49 more games after his famous 34-5 season at age 22 but managed to play several more years as an outfielder.
I dont like a lot of the MLB and NFL rule changes either but some of the changes with the way games are managed is smart. Theres no reason to put guys at extra risk throwing a ton of pitches when the nature of the sport is going to have a lot of injuries anyways
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The two ways guys are always interesting. Hoffman started out as a failed short stop in the minors and ended up being one of the best closers of all time. Ankiel looked like he was going to be a stud on the mound before a combination of the yips and injuries lead to him having a couple decent years as an outfielder. It would have been interesting what Ruth could have done if he was allowed to keep pitching.
Tim Hudson is another guy I wonder about. He hit almost .400 with like a .670 slug and almost 20 hrs his last year at Auburn as a two way player. Once the As drafted him he wasnt really allowed to hit anymore
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that's because they played for an old school coach. emphasis on old, as Wayne Graham didn't leave Rice until he was in his 80s. the man refused to pull starting pitchers.
there was a kid named Kenny Baugh who came out a few years prior to the three you mentioned, and he was every bit as talented. hurt his arm a year after he was drafted by the Tigers and never threw a single pitch past triple A. i'm sure the almost 400 innings he threw in his final 3 seasons at Rice did him no favors.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
No fans and you have no $$250,000,000 team payrolls. Give them a thrill a half dozen times a year when a pitcher gives up zero hits through 6 or 7 innings. Almost like a tease. Used to dream of witnessing a perfect or near perfect game or catching a ball. Some idiot manager or GM thinks oh dear, glass arm has 100 pitches in, got to bench him.
All you end up with is the gamblers. They don't care who wins. Have no loyalty and are not buying logo clothing for double retail.
I never liked how Graham treated his staffs in his later years. They had a good run as one of the top programs for a while but recruits figured out he didnt care about their future which hurt them recruiting. I remember it was about what a decade later with Mark Appel the first overall pick in the draft from Stanford who was doing the same thing Graham used to do with egregious pitch counts. Its one thing to do it with guys that wont go to the pros who want to be out there but not top picks to get a couple more wins
Edit for the Kenny Baugh I forgot about him but that was a ridiculous work load when I looked him up. College pitchers shouldnt be putting up 140 innings especially not when managers dont care about pitch counts
Missouri 14 OSU 3
MAYBE have legislation introduced to protect the kids from coaches pitching them until their arms explode. All I hear is how endangered kids are, yet this is a real, tangible threat (unlike the non-existent threats a certain segment of the population believes lie in wait); however, these same people are silent on protecting their kids from abusive coaches.
Who am I kidding? This will never happen. These same conspiracy-minded nutjobs are the same people who think their son Johnny's sporting career is going to propel them to wealth. They'd rather see Johnny throw until his arm falls off than actually protect their kid.
I do not have time for ignorant trolls.
ignore list: 1948_Swell_Robinson, Darin, bgr, bronco2078, dallasactuary
Anybody that decides they can no longer watch baseball is not going to change anything in how baseball is played. There is always room for improvement be it bad or good that we have to accept as there is no going backward. You either accept it or you dont and move on! I choose to accept it myself.
I never really made a choice. Since 2020, I have gradually begun to dread watching baseball. It has gotten to the point where I find it crushingly boring and would rather watch almost any other sport. That may or may not be completely MLB ‘s fault but their actions have certainly been a significant contributor.
Thats the wayI feel about basketball and soccer!
I hope we don't end up with a law that says how many times you can throw a ball in a period of time.
This is a common theme. That much is true. Youth sports are becoming more and more of an industry. What isn't mentioned is that this isn't always the same injury as the common MLB UCL injury/tear which prompts a player's TJ surgery. The primary cause for Youth TJ surgery is referred to as 'Little League Elbow' and this is not a UCL issue, but rather damage, from overuse to the growth plates at the end of the arm bones which meet at the elbow. The Orthopedic community, I'm told, generally recommends against TJ surgery to correct this as it can cause long-term damage to the elbow. That there are Orthopedic surgeons who will perform this procedure on youths is something the AMA should make a statement on, but I don't think that a law is the right solution.
I would need clarification here. Know better than trained medical professionals in what way? I strongly believe that if anyone knew - trained medical professionals included - when an injury would occur, they would provide guidance on how to prevent the injury. In General. This should also apply here, specifically, to elbow injuries - in children, adults, or otherwise if another classification exists. I don't think anyone knows, and I don't think that lowering the threshold each time someone is injured with fewer and fewer pitches is a good heuristic process.
If you didn't watch the game, there were a few other points which haven't been discussed.
I think it was probably the right move by the manager. I would have wanted to let him start the 8th but it would have been a tough decision. Take him out and they tie it up... Leave him in and they tie it up... Leave him in and he gets injured... With how much value Skenes has to the organization I think this was the only decision. I didn't think anything of it when it happened the same way I didn't think anything of it when they pulled Burnes after 8 and let Hader finish up the combined no-no in '21.
I think a lot bigger problem is in the sport of race walking.
Slow running if you ask me. Lots of cheating going on there imo and nobody except me seems to concerned about it. 🤔
"RACE WALKING ", that is a sport? Gee, that sounds exciting! Remind me not to watch it.
Believe it or not I race walked at a 6th grade track meet in about 1975. Never practiced it, just saw the sign up sheet and saw it was walking, not running and I said that’s for me. Only advice coach gave me was don’t run. A few contestants got disqualified for running and I placed top 2 or 3 if I recall.
That was the beginning and end of my race walking career!
Now back to ruining pitchers arms or whatever thread I jumped into.
"We’ve seen spray-on hair, a spray-on dress and now — marathon-winning spray-on shoes.
Swiss sportswear brand On is the latest company to embrace advanced “spray-on” materials with a “revolutionary” robot-made sneaker it believes can improve performance at this month’s Olympics.
The Cloudboom Strike LS is lace-free and weighs less than the latest iPhone. Designed to be more adaptable, dynamic and supportive than your average running sneakers, the $330 shoes already have a convincing track record: Kenyan runner Hellen Obiri, an Olympic silver medalist and the only woman to have won indoor, outdoor and cross-country world titles, triumphed at this year’s Boston Marathon wearing a pair. She will don them again to compete in the Paris 2024 Games this summer."
Over the years have watched less.and less baseball. Not too many times have I watched a full game in the past 3 years. So when I do watch a full of partial game it almost seems new to me.
Before the proliferation of younger and younger athletes needing TJ surgery, kids would play a variety of sports; football or soccer in the fall, an indoor sport like wrestling in the winter, then spring baseball.
Now, as more and more parents think little Johnny the ace pitcher is going to make them wealthy, they have them throwing year-round - school sports in the spring, travel leagues in the summer and fall, pitching camps in the winter. These kids are being pushed to throw more than ever, all while still physically developing.
Should they be fortunate to escape the youth circuit and play at a collegiate level, the intensity ramps up even higher with even more workload being foisted upon them.
It's no wonder teams protect their star pitchers - it's a miracle they even made it to the big leagues.
I do not have time for ignorant trolls.
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Only the elite make it to the Bigs. 350 pitchers out of a population of 350,000,000.
Better to wear out an arm than get horse collared on the gridiron.
Sounds like between innings pitchers should be playing some soccer on the side.
That is why pitchers command the big bucks.
Its been a long week without baseball!
Several home run derby contestants coming out hot in their first game back in the second half.
Gunnar 4-5, 3 runs scored
Witt 3-3, HR, 2 rbi, 2 runs
J. Ramirez 2-4
Bohm 2-4
Watched Witt and the Royals, then checked to see how some of the others did. Alonso was 0-3. So much for the HR derby ruining their swings.
Im a Pats fan, I watch the Pats but not every game. I will catch a few other games. I never watch thursday games. I only watch on regular TV .
They fragmented TV watching onto pay networks so I refuse to watch those.
Baseball and hockey have done the same
I used to watch more Bruins and Red Sox games but I haven't paid for NESN in decades . A pay network that runs fishing shows? Hard pass
why are we worried about the players health?
they are there to entertain me , they should be left out there until they are dead then replaced with the next man up
drag them off the field in a cart and toss them in a dumpster
a player should go in to maximize their value for a big contract then leave while they can still walk.
get over the idea of people with 20 year careers , they are just cogswell cogs in the media machine now
if you want to consume pure sports find something that won't be on tv and watch in person
Jesus - imagine being this heartless.
I do not have time for ignorant trolls.
ignore list: 1948_Swell_Robinson, Darin, bgr, bronco2078, dallasactuary
Bronco would have been a regular patron at the Roman Colosseum, two thousand years ago. 😆
Fair...but the real damage most of them do to themselves with steroids and variations of them. Pretty much kiss the Liver goodbye after a few cycles.
Bronco wouldn’t have been saying that about Brady early in his career when Pats fans were realizing how good he was. 😂
The use of the body builder inject yourself in the butt stuff that destroys you really isnt a thing anymore at least not in baseball. The bigger issue is the pain killers and shots that teams hand out like candy in the various leagues to keep guys on the field. The Skaggs issue really brought light to it and one of the reasons that the leagues stopped testing for weed is that a lot of players prefer that to popping pills
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we wont get that again. no football player will play as long as Brady ever again (Kickers are not football players)
C'mon. No Spoliers!
the strip clubs in Montreal are legendary !
You know what's really strange? I could tell you all about 20th century baseball history and baseball cards (especially 70s/80s/90s) but for most of the 21st century? Not nearly so much. And that's kinda true for most things in general like history in general; I just think 60s-90s is the most interesting. And in this modern day and age of YouTube and whatnot where you can relive whatever history you want with a point and click of the mouse it's like why bother with most of the modern stuff? With baseball cards today and in the past several years sure I like Topps and Topps Heritage but most of the rest and all the gobs of 1/1's just kinda mostly get lost in the shuffle. Besides there is still much, MUCH I want to do achieve regarding 70s/80s/90s cards first.
D's: 54S,53P,50P,49S,45D+S,44S,43D,41S,40D+S,39D+S,38D+S,37D+S,36S,35D+S,all 16-34's
Q's: 52S,47S,46S,40S,39S,38S,37D+S,36D+S,35D,34D,32D+S
74T: 37,38,47,151,193,241,435,570,610,654,655 97 Finest silver: 115,135,139,145,310
73T:31,55,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,80,152,165,189,213,235,237,257,341,344,377,379,390,422,433,453,480,497,545,554,563,580,606,613,630
95 Ultra GM Sets: Golden Prospects,HR Kings,On-Base Leaders,Power Plus,RBI Kings,Rising Stars
https://www.outkick.com/sports/white-sox-starter-wont-pitch-playoffs-without-contract-extension
Not sure if this was posted already here...but if you are pissed about Snell coming out of a game, then how about Garrett Crochet? He won't pitch in the playoffs unless he gets a contract extension. Can you imagine that. So that obviously really hurts his trade value.
To the OP, I'm on the cusp of joining you. I might just watch an an old episode of This Week in Baseball once per week during the season.
He just got traded to the Dodgers with a 3 team trade involving the Cards. The media is kinda spinning it a bit and leaving out an important detail with Crochet. Will he actually sit out who knows, but this his first full year coming off a TJ surgery. As Im sure you know basically no one returns as an ace if they need a second one. He basically just wants financial certainty if hes going to be pitching more than he should be that first year back
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Fedde was the one who got traded in the deal. Crochet still on Sox as I write this.
I mixed up Crochet and Michael Kopech. My fault, someone told me it was Crochet earlier and I didnt check them. He certainly wont have to worry about the post season if the Sox dont move him
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