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Jury enters $4.096 billion verdict against NFL in Sunday Ticket class action.

MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭✭✭

Under federal antitrust laws, the amount will be trebled — to $12.288 billion!!

Maywood.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,069 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am an affected party

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  • stevekstevek Posts: 28,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "LOS ANGELES (AP) — A jury in U.S. District Court ordered the NFL to pay nearly $4.8 billion in damages"

    A Los Angeles jury. Didn't they acquit OJ?

  • stevekstevek Posts: 28,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So now "they" want to legislate entertainment?

    i don't particularly like the NFL ripping folks off who want to watch some football. That being said, it's only entertainment, and at first glace this seems to me like a very slippery slope.

    The NFL is a legal entertainment business. Shouldn't they be allowed to do whatever they wish as far as maximizing profit, with their form of entertainment that is being generated?

  • stevekstevek Posts: 28,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Although a totally different matter, this reminds me of the case of "US versus Larry Flynt." If the Supreme Court hadn't thrown out that verdict, we would live in quite a different society right now for a variety of reasons.

    At first glance, I'd like to see this verdict get thrown out, same as I was glad the Flynt verdict was thrown out.

  • bgrbgr Posts: 1,687 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was under the impression that the NFL was protected in doing this by the Sports Broadcasting Act - which specifically included language related to packaging or pooling broadcast rights.

    I'm sure the Jury knows their Title 15 U.S.C chapters well.

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,425 ✭✭✭✭

    @stevek said:
    So now "they" want to legislate entertainment?

    i don't particularly like the NFL ripping folks off who want to watch some football. That being said, it's only entertainment, and at first glace this seems to me like a very slippery slope.

    The NFL is a legal entertainment business. Shouldn't they be allowed to do whatever they wish as far as maximizing profit, with their form of entertainment that is being generated?

    Its anti trust stuff. That lawsuit has been going on since at least 2019 about how only one provider being allowed to have it artificially raises the prices and things like that. It was initially thrown out years ago but sent back on appeal to the same judge. Once they started pulling games and putting them on other streaming things they were done for. As a fan its a good thing since the NFL and other leagues are heading on a course for PPV Super Bowls and then playoff games and the only way to stop that is make it hurt financially.

    I'd rather not pay 1000s a year to watch sports having to have 30 different streaming services that can charge whatever they want because they have no competition. The judgement probably gets reduced upon appeal, but in the end the lawyers are the big winners anyways

    Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007

  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭✭✭

    See, I'm confused now. The NFL is getting taken to the wood-shed because they caused fans to pay more than they should have to watch games.

    Wasn't it just a few short months ago when everyone was complaining about having to pay for games on Amazon Prime??

  • stevekstevek Posts: 28,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    @stevek said:
    So now "they" want to legislate entertainment?

    i don't particularly like the NFL ripping folks off who want to watch some football. That being said, it's only entertainment, and at first glace this seems to me like a very slippery slope.

    The NFL is a legal entertainment business. Shouldn't they be allowed to do whatever they wish as far as maximizing profit, with their form of entertainment that is being generated?

    Its anti trust stuff. That lawsuit has been going on since at least 2019 about how only one provider being allowed to have it artificially raises the prices and things like that. It was initially thrown out years ago but sent back on appeal to the same judge. Once they started pulling games and putting them on other streaming things they were done for. As a fan its a good thing since the NFL and other leagues are heading on a course for PPV Super Bowls and then playoff games and the only way to stop that is make it hurt financially.

    I'd rather not pay 1000s a year to watch sports having to have 30 different streaming services that can charge whatever they want because they have no competition. The judgement probably gets reduced upon appeal, but in the end the lawyers are the big winners anyways

    "but in the end the lawyers are the big winners anyways"

    So true!

  • bgrbgr Posts: 1,687 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    @stevek said:
    So now "they" want to legislate entertainment?

    i don't particularly like the NFL ripping folks off who want to watch some football. That being said, it's only entertainment, and at first glace this seems to me like a very slippery slope.

    The NFL is a legal entertainment business. Shouldn't they be allowed to do whatever they wish as far as maximizing profit, with their form of entertainment that is being generated?

    Its anti trust stuff. That lawsuit has been going on since at least 2019 about how only one provider being allowed to have it artificially raises the prices and things like that. It was initially thrown out years ago but sent back on appeal to the same judge. Once they started pulling games and putting them on other streaming things they were done for. As a fan its a good thing since the NFL and other leagues are heading on a course for PPV Super Bowls and then playoff games and the only way to stop that is make it hurt financially.

    I'd rather not pay 1000s a year to watch sports having to have 30 different streaming services that can charge whatever they want because they have no competition. The judgement probably gets reduced upon appeal, but in the end the lawyers are the big winners anyways

    So what’s your solution here to control the pricing of the out of market product?

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,425 ✭✭✭✭

    @bgr said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @stevek said:
    So now "they" want to legislate entertainment?

    i don't particularly like the NFL ripping folks off who want to watch some football. That being said, it's only entertainment, and at first glace this seems to me like a very slippery slope.

    The NFL is a legal entertainment business. Shouldn't they be allowed to do whatever they wish as far as maximizing profit, with their form of entertainment that is being generated?

    Its anti trust stuff. That lawsuit has been going on since at least 2019 about how only one provider being allowed to have it artificially raises the prices and things like that. It was initially thrown out years ago but sent back on appeal to the same judge. Once they started pulling games and putting them on other streaming things they were done for. As a fan its a good thing since the NFL and other leagues are heading on a course for PPV Super Bowls and then playoff games and the only way to stop that is make it hurt financially.

    I'd rather not pay 1000s a year to watch sports having to have 30 different streaming services that can charge whatever they want because they have no competition. The judgement probably gets reduced upon appeal, but in the end the lawyers are the big winners anyways

    So what’s your solution here to control the pricing of the out of market product?

    Whether its the NFL, MLB or whatever you should be able to see all games without having to have multiple streaming services if you have their package. Offer a package that Verizon, Comcast, Dish, Youtube, Amazon etc can all offer. If they chose not to thats on the carrier if the pricing is the same and prices should go down if games are pulled

    Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007

  • bgrbgr Posts: 1,687 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    @bgr said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @stevek said:
    So now "they" want to legislate entertainment?

    i don't particularly like the NFL ripping folks off who want to watch some football. That being said, it's only entertainment, and at first glace this seems to me like a very slippery slope.

    The NFL is a legal entertainment business. Shouldn't they be allowed to do whatever they wish as far as maximizing profit, with their form of entertainment that is being generated?

    Its anti trust stuff. That lawsuit has been going on since at least 2019 about how only one provider being allowed to have it artificially raises the prices and things like that. It was initially thrown out years ago but sent back on appeal to the same judge. Once they started pulling games and putting them on other streaming things they were done for. As a fan its a good thing since the NFL and other leagues are heading on a course for PPV Super Bowls and then playoff games and the only way to stop that is make it hurt financially.

    I'd rather not pay 1000s a year to watch sports having to have 30 different streaming services that can charge whatever they want because they have no competition. The judgement probably gets reduced upon appeal, but in the end the lawyers are the big winners anyways

    So what’s your solution here to control the pricing of the out of market product?

    Whether its the NFL, MLB or whatever you should be able to see all games without having to have multiple streaming services if you have their package. Offer a package that Verizon, Comcast, Dish, Youtube, Amazon etc can all offer. If they chose not to thats on the carrier if the pricing is the same and prices should go down if games are pulled

    That doesn’t make any sense to me.

    Life, Liberty, and Out-of-Market Games … for less.

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,425 ✭✭✭✭

    @bgr said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @bgr said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @stevek said:
    So now "they" want to legislate entertainment?

    i don't particularly like the NFL ripping folks off who want to watch some football. That being said, it's only entertainment, and at first glace this seems to me like a very slippery slope.

    The NFL is a legal entertainment business. Shouldn't they be allowed to do whatever they wish as far as maximizing profit, with their form of entertainment that is being generated?

    Its anti trust stuff. That lawsuit has been going on since at least 2019 about how only one provider being allowed to have it artificially raises the prices and things like that. It was initially thrown out years ago but sent back on appeal to the same judge. Once they started pulling games and putting them on other streaming things they were done for. As a fan its a good thing since the NFL and other leagues are heading on a course for PPV Super Bowls and then playoff games and the only way to stop that is make it hurt financially.

    I'd rather not pay 1000s a year to watch sports having to have 30 different streaming services that can charge whatever they want because they have no competition. The judgement probably gets reduced upon appeal, but in the end the lawyers are the big winners anyways

    So what’s your solution here to control the pricing of the out of market product?

    Whether its the NFL, MLB or whatever you should be able to see all games without having to have multiple streaming services if you have their package. Offer a package that Verizon, Comcast, Dish, Youtube, Amazon etc can all offer. If they chose not to thats on the carrier if the pricing is the same and prices should go down if games are pulled

    That doesn’t make any sense to me.

    Life, Liberty, and Out-of-Market Games … for less.

    Once they stop raising taxes to fund stadiums for the teams and giving them major tax breaks by all means sell things however they want, just dont advertise packages as all the games and pull games from it though. Until they act as an independent organization instead of having tax payers foot the bills I have no sympathy if they get hit with a lawsuit even though the lawyers will be the ones getting the biggest pay day

    Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,069 ✭✭✭✭✭

    without trying to hijack, i don't like having to pay so many places to view games but they can do things their way maybe, but why offer an mlb/nfl/nba package direct and not offer any televised game?

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  • bgrbgr Posts: 1,687 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    @bgr said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @bgr said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @stevek said:
    So now "they" want to legislate entertainment?

    i don't particularly like the NFL ripping folks off who want to watch some football. That being said, it's only entertainment, and at first glace this seems to me like a very slippery slope.

    The NFL is a legal entertainment business. Shouldn't they be allowed to do whatever they wish as far as maximizing profit, with their form of entertainment that is being generated?

    Its anti trust stuff. That lawsuit has been going on since at least 2019 about how only one provider being allowed to have it artificially raises the prices and things like that. It was initially thrown out years ago but sent back on appeal to the same judge. Once they started pulling games and putting them on other streaming things they were done for. As a fan its a good thing since the NFL and other leagues are heading on a course for PPV Super Bowls and then playoff games and the only way to stop that is make it hurt financially.

    I'd rather not pay 1000s a year to watch sports having to have 30 different streaming services that can charge whatever they want because they have no competition. The judgement probably gets reduced upon appeal, but in the end the lawyers are the big winners anyways

    So what’s your solution here to control the pricing of the out of market product?

    Whether its the NFL, MLB or whatever you should be able to see all games without having to have multiple streaming services if you have their package. Offer a package that Verizon, Comcast, Dish, Youtube, Amazon etc can all offer. If they chose not to thats on the carrier if the pricing is the same and prices should go down if games are pulled

    That doesn’t make any sense to me.

    Life, Liberty, and Out-of-Market Games … for less.

    Once they stop raising taxes to fund stadiums for the teams and giving them major tax breaks by all means sell things however they want, just dont advertise packages as all the games and pull games from it though. Until they act as an independent organization instead of having tax payers foot the bills I have no sympathy if they get hit with a lawsuit even though the lawyers will be the ones getting the biggest pay day

    I'm not defending it (I think it's a bit of a mixed bag honestly), but I'm saying this was a stupid lawsuit and a waste of time. The NFL's cost to defend this lawsuit is nothing compared to their revenue.

  • estangestang Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭

    I would stand to gain from the settlement but fail to understand how or why the NFL lost it.

    It was my choice and I 100% agreed to pay the price to watching Vikings games. If I didn't want to do it, I could have listened on the radio, not at all or gone to a local sports bar.

    I don't get it nor do I expect to get a penny from any of it.

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    Erik
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,632 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @estang said:
    I would stand to gain from the settlement but fail to understand how or why the NFL lost it.

    It was my choice and I 100% agreed to pay the price to watching Vikings games. If I didn't want to do it, I could have listened on the radio, not at all or gone to a local sports bar.

    I don't get it nor do I expect to get a penny from any of it.

    Same here

  • stevekstevek Posts: 28,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @estang said:
    I would stand to gain from the settlement but fail to understand how or why the NFL lost it.

    It was my choice and I 100% agreed to pay the price to watching Vikings games. If I didn't want to do it, I could have listened on the radio, not at all or gone to a local sports bar.

    I don't get it nor do I expect to get a penny from any of it.

    I enjoy listening to the game on the radio almost as much, if not sometimes more than watching it on TV.

    Then I can do other "important" chit at the same time. LOL

  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,817 ✭✭✭✭✭

    all of these Gen Zs and Gen Alphas probably think it must have been hell on earth living without the technological advancements of today. how could i have possibly survived? someone kill me now!

    i'd lop off a limb to go back to the 70s and 80s. take my cell phone, take the internet, give me one set of baseball cards to eviscerate, don't try to emasculate my wallet and fry my brain when i simply want to watch an NFL game. and if i can't see the one i want? guess effing what, it's a-ok because i'll just watch the highlights or read the newspaper the next day.

    "i lament living during that time period" said no one who lived during that time period ever. heck my biggest regret is not experiencing the 60s

    more is less and addition by subtraction are real concepts

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  • stevekstevek Posts: 28,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @galaxy27 said:
    all of these Gen Zs and Gen Alphas probably think it must have been hell on earth living without the technological advancements of today. how could i have possibly survived? someone kill me now!

    i'd lop off a limb to go back to the 70s and 80s. take my cell phone, take the internet, give me one set of baseball cards to eviscerate, don't try to emasculate my wallet and fry my brain when i simply want to watch an NFL game. and if i can't see the one i want? guess effing what, it's a-ok because i'll just watch the highlights or read the newspaper the next day.

    "i lament living during that time period" said no one who lived during that time period ever. heck my biggest regret is not experiencing the 60s

    more is less and addition by subtraction are real concepts

    Wait until 50 years from now. When AI robots will do everything, including feeding you and wiping your butt.

    The young of today will then be talking about the good old days. LOL

  • bgrbgr Posts: 1,687 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would settle for hoverboards and self-tying laces.

  • DarinDarin Posts: 7,051 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think we’re skipping an important step in the technological revolution. No flying cars yet. I didn’t get to enjoy the flying cars we were supposed to have by now. Now all I have to look forward to in my old age is being hunted down by the malevolent robot army.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,069 ✭✭✭✭✭

    there are flying "cars" (encapsulated motorcycles, imo) that are yet to be approved. and the approval part is what people cite as the hold up. there is a powerplant large enough for a "car' that's not too big for flight all while the necessary "items" needed for a functioning car problem. forget approval, I want crash safety and ability to transport more than people; and, if you throw out those under the what-about-supercars rule, then i can say "fine, but it's still not what was teased decades ago." plus "where you gunna land those poorly maintained ones when there an engine out?" sure, airplanes land on roads, lol, but there millions more cars on the roads and airplanes requir yearly inspections and the piston engines get overhauled, or replaced, after about 2,000 hours. so: where you gunna land those poorly maintained ones?

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,069 ✭✭✭✭✭

    the nfl wants us to watch, then signs contracts with companies that charge to stream. and now even prime video has ads.

    i see the nfl as a monopoly kind of, but not traditionally since it's an enjoyable "seller-specific" activity noone requires for living. (is U2 a monopoly?)

    it's just bothersome that they want viewership yet stick games on pay-for services.. and they have ads, too. this is a worse deal than paying $9 for a beer in the stadium. don't buy the beer? don't pay for the services! yet they want us to watch.

    still don't find a nfl package that doesn't show any and every televised game any kind of desirable service. just don't get it either.

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  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wait until 50 years from now

    You act like this has never happened before, like the older generation has never "longed for the good old days" while they sat by and watched the younger generation destroy all future hope for humanity!!!

    This is the way it goes, this is how it went when we were younger, this is how it went when our Fathers were younger, etc. etc. etc. The lament is always the same.......................if only things could be like they used to be. There's a saying I like, "Change is inevitable, suffering is optional."

    I think @galaxy27 nailed it except for one thing, leave me the internet. B)

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