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Counterfeit PCGS holder on eBay

This 1916-D Mercury Dime is counterfeit and in a counterfeit PCGS holder.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1916D-Mercury-Dime-PCGS-F15-Key-Date-Great-Eye-Appeal-Strong-D--No-Reserve/315425440868

Link to when the real coin with this serial number sold at Heritage:

https://coins.ha.com/itm/mercury-dimes/1916-d-10c-fine-15-pcgs/a/1138-683.s?hdnJumpToLot=1&x=0&y=0

-Paul

Many Quality coins for sale at http://www.CommonCentsRareCoins.com

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  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,949 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ironically, the listing says "Seller is away until the 15th, expect a delay" Ya think!

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,400 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Namvet69 said:
    Ironically, the listing says "Seller is away until the 15th, expect a delay" Ya think!

    I’m not sure what a delay would have to do with the coin being counterfeit.
    Seller and eBay have been messaged.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,920 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @Namvet69 said:
    Ironically, the listing says "Seller is away until the 15th, expect a delay" Ya think!

    I’m not sure what a delay would have to do with the coin being counterfeit.
    Seller and eBay have been messaged.

    I did the same about an hour ago. Initial ebay judgment is "no policy violation".

    I actually sent both ebay and the seller the link to Heritage. Of course, I'm not sure a non-numismatist will see the difference.

  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,159 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It says the item has sold. sure hope the buyer see's this before he pays

  • TxCollectorTxCollector Posts: 417 ✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MFeld said:

    @Namvet69 said:
    Ironically, the listing says "Seller is away until the 15th, expect a delay" Ya think!

    I’m not sure what a delay would have to do with the coin being counterfeit.
    Seller and eBay have been messaged.

    I did the same about an hour ago. Initial ebay judgment is "no policy violation".

    I actually sent both ebay and the seller the link to Heritage. Of course, I'm not sure a non-numismatist will see the difference.

    The big difference that everyone should be able to see is that the reverse isn't inverted right? It's more like a Canadian coin.


  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,920 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jeffas1974 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MFeld said:

    @Namvet69 said:
    Ironically, the listing says "Seller is away until the 15th, expect a delay" Ya think!

    I’m not sure what a delay would have to do with the coin being counterfeit.
    Seller and eBay have been messaged.

    I did the same about an hour ago. Initial ebay judgment is "no policy violation".

    I actually sent both ebay and the seller the link to Heritage. Of course, I'm not sure a non-numismatist will see the difference.

    The big difference that everyone should be able to see is that the reverse isn't inverted right? It's more like a Canadian coin.

    A non-numismatist would not notice it unless pointed out to them. You'd be surprised how many people have never noticed the orientation. Guy came into a coin store last year with a Bat quarter and asked if it was an error because the Bat was upside down on the reverse. We had to show him that all coins had that alignment. He had never noticed.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,984 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 14, 2024 4:45PM





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    1916-D Mercury Dime PCGS F15 Key Date Great Eye Appeal Strong "D" ! No Reserve
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    PCGS 10C 15238336
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    Seller Way-Back-Then

    Current maintainer of Stone's Master List of Favorite Websites // My BST transactions
  • BikergeekBikergeek Posts: 408 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Keyboard Warrior reporting for duty here. I also reported to eBay and sent a note to the seller. Couldn't send a link to Heritage in user-to-user communications with the seller but I said check Heritage 2010.

    New website: Groovycoins.com Capped Bust Half Dime registry set: Bikergeek CBHD LM Set

  • AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Terrible fake other than the authentic-looking fingerprint.

    Smitten with DBLCs.

  • TxCollectorTxCollector Posts: 417 ✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @jeffas1974 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MFeld said:

    @Namvet69 said:
    Ironically, the listing says "Seller is away until the 15th, expect a delay" Ya think!

    I’m not sure what a delay would have to do with the coin being counterfeit.
    Seller and eBay have been messaged.

    I did the same about an hour ago. Initial ebay judgment is "no policy violation".

    I actually sent both ebay and the seller the link to Heritage. Of course, I'm not sure a non-numismatist will see the difference.

    The big difference that everyone should be able to see is that the reverse isn't inverted right? It's more like a Canadian coin.

    A non-numismatist would not notice it unless pointed out to them. You'd be surprised how many people have never noticed the orientation. Guy came into a coin store last year with a Bat quarter and asked if it was an error because the Bat was upside down on the reverse. We had to show him that all coins had that alignment. He had never noticed.

    That is fair that people outside of the hobby wouldn’t likely know but I would have hoped that at least the winning bidder and the others that were serious enough collectors to be within spitting distance of winning would have realized it.

    I am curious to know how hard it is to return a fake once purchased given eBay’s reluctance to declare it as such despite the multiple reports.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,920 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jeffas1974 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @jeffas1974 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MFeld said:

    @Namvet69 said:
    Ironically, the listing says "Seller is away until the 15th, expect a delay" Ya think!

    I’m not sure what a delay would have to do with the coin being counterfeit.
    Seller and eBay have been messaged.

    I did the same about an hour ago. Initial ebay judgment is "no policy violation".

    I actually sent both ebay and the seller the link to Heritage. Of course, I'm not sure a non-numismatist will see the difference.

    The big difference that everyone should be able to see is that the reverse isn't inverted right? It's more like a Canadian coin.

    A non-numismatist would not notice it unless pointed out to them. You'd be surprised how many people have never noticed the orientation. Guy came into a coin store last year with a Bat quarter and asked if it was an error because the Bat was upside down on the reverse. We had to show him that all coins had that alignment. He had never noticed.

    That is fair that people outside of the hobby wouldn’t likely know but I would have hoped that at least the winning bidder and the others that were serious enough collectors to be within spitting distance of winning would have realized it.

    I am curious to know how hard it is to return a fake once purchased given eBay’s reluctance to declare it as such despite the multiple reports.

    True. Yet they did bid.

    It's easy to return anything, fake or not.

  • TxCollectorTxCollector Posts: 417 ✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @jeffas1974 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @jeffas1974 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MFeld said:

    @Namvet69 said:
    Ironically, the listing says "Seller is away until the 15th, expect a delay" Ya think!

    I’m not sure what a delay would have to do with the coin being counterfeit.
    Seller and eBay have been messaged.

    I did the same about an hour ago. Initial ebay judgment is "no policy violation".

    I actually sent both ebay and the seller the link to Heritage. Of course, I'm not sure a non-numismatist will see the difference.

    The big difference that everyone should be able to see is that the reverse isn't inverted right? It's more like a Canadian coin.

    A non-numismatist would not notice it unless pointed out to them. You'd be surprised how many people have never noticed the orientation. Guy came into a coin store last year with a Bat quarter and asked if it was an error because the Bat was upside down on the reverse. We had to show him that all coins had that alignment. He had never noticed.

    That is fair that people outside of the hobby wouldn’t likely know but I would have hoped that at least the winning bidder and the others that were serious enough collectors to be within spitting distance of winning would have realized it.

    I am curious to know how hard it is to return a fake once purchased given eBay’s reluctance to declare it as such despite the multiple reports.

    True. Yet they did bid.

    It's easy to return anything, fake or not.

    Especially when the listing says the seller accepts returns. I should have been fully awake before typing that part…

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

  • TxCollectorTxCollector Posts: 417 ✭✭✭✭

    I was wishing that the seller was unaware that the coin was a fake and would have cancelled the sale on their own after reading the messages that were sent to them. Probably not a realistic outcome at this point…

  • BikergeekBikergeek Posts: 408 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The seller did respond to me on June 15 (sorry for sharing late, was busy this weekend.) They said:

    New message from: way-back-then (4,016RED_STAR Star)
    "I ended it, not sold Im working on it"

    So the high rollers who bid on this are off the hook.

    New website: Groovycoins.com Capped Bust Half Dime registry set: Bikergeek CBHD LM Set

  • vplite99vplite99 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good ending. Thanks!

    good ending.

    Vplite99
  • TxCollectorTxCollector Posts: 417 ✭✭✭✭

    @Bikergeek said:
    The seller did respond to me on June 15 (sorry for sharing late, was busy this weekend.) They said:

    New message from: way-back-then (4,016RED_STAR Star)
    "I ended it, not sold Im working on it"

    So the high rollers who bid on this are off the hook.

    Are we sure it didn’t sell or does eBay not update the status on this initial screen after cancellation?

  • GreenstangGreenstang Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it was not sold, it would say” Ended by seller” not sold.
    Someone has bought a counterfeit.

  • MetroDMetroD Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Greenstang said:
    If it was not sold, it would say” Ended by seller” not sold.
    Someone has bought a counterfeit.

    I do NOT have a lot of experience with eBay. And I am NOT disputing the screenshot posted by @jeffas1974. In fact, I can see essentially the same screen.

    That said, I see the following when opening the actual listing on a desktop.

    Source: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1916D-Mercury-Dime-PCGS-F15-Key-Date-Great-Eye-Appeal-Strong-D--No-Reserve/315425440868

  • TxCollectorTxCollector Posts: 417 ✭✭✭✭

    @MetroD said:

    @Greenstang said:
    If it was not sold, it would say” Ended by seller” not sold.
    Someone has bought a counterfeit.

    I do NOT have a lot of experience with eBay. And I am NOT disputing the screenshot posted by @jeffas1974. In fact, I can see essentially the same screen.

    That said, I see the following when opening the actual listing on a desktop.

    Source: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1916D-Mercury-Dime-PCGS-F15-Key-Date-Great-Eye-Appeal-Strong-D--No-Reserve/315425440868

    I think we’re saying the same thing that despite the seller’s claim that they cancelled the sale that they in fact still went through with it even after being told it was a fake (if they didn’t already know prior to messages from forum members).

  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The bidding history suggests the coin was not sold. There were three nuke bids retracted.

    3 rim nicks away from Good
  • MetroDMetroD Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 22, 2024 7:37PM

    @jeffas1974 said:

    I think we’re saying the same thing that despite the seller’s claim that they cancelled the sale that they in fact still went through with it even after being told it was a fake (if they didn’t already know prior to messages from forum members).

    Sorry for not being more clear.

    I am not sure the sale went through, or didn't, due to what appears to be conflicting information.

    Your screenshot suggests that it did sell. In contrast, my screenshot suggests that the seller ending the listing (i.e., it did not sell).

    Again, I am not an eBay guru. But, I THINK that the header on the page of an auction item that actually sells on eBay looks like this:

    Not the case here. So, to me, it looks like the seller might have cancelled the sale.

    Edited for clarity.

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe we'll see it in his feedbacks at some point if sold...

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,984 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23 said:
    Maybe we'll see it in his feedbacks at some point if sold...

    glad t see you're still here!

    when they didn't anonymize winner's identities, we'd contact them and tell them. we'd get threatened with auction interference strikes BY EBAY!

    They used to nukes listings post close, too.but i don't see that happening hardly at all

    Current maintainer of Stone's Master List of Favorite Websites // My BST transactions

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