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All things with the Red Sox are NOT looking good

MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

I started a new thread, not to counter the "all things are looking good" below, but the stats speak for themselves.

Fact is, the Red Sox are approaching the cliff of another failed year under Cora "the cheater" at the helm. The team is slowly, but steadily sinking into unrecoverable territory. Now tied for 4th place and only 1.5 games from the cellar. Cora came along in 2021, and the team finished 2nd, high hopes of another pennant...not to be. Then the wheels came off in 2022, 2023 when the team finished last, and they are on course to hit the trifecta in 2024.

No question that injuries have hamstrung the team, but that's why they're supposed to have a respectable deep bench in the farm system, maybe not so much. Now we read that RHP Chris Martin is on the 15 day IL (retroactive), for anxiety. Must be serious for him to be on the IL.

After the Braves today, they go to Chicago to play the sandlot team known as the White Sox, they are pathetic! Perhaps an opportunity for the Red Sox to pick up at least 3 out of 4, if not sweep. However, if those above continue to play as well as they have, I doubt there will be much change in the standings come next week...hopefully I'm wrong and they can make some much needed progress. I just don't see it happening.

Odd, I thought that the Braves/Red Sox games are blacked out in the Atlanta area. Silly rule, I live well over 1k miles from Fenway.

So, for the Fenway Faithful, the writing is on the wall. I predict two things...of course I've already said this. #1, the team will not contend this year, and might hit the dreaded trifecta of 3 last place finishes in a row. #2, Alex is toast, not only will he not be the manager in 2025, he will not be with the Red Sox organization.

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  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭✭

    The only reason Cora is there this season is because he was signed for the year.
    He has made one mistake after another this year.
    I still like the young players they have brought up this year and look forward to see how they finish up as they get some of the players back.
    The one thing I don't like this year is the rule changes for the pitchers as it puts too much stress on their arms and elbows and will shorten their careers.
    It all about the money!

  • bgrbgr Posts: 1,704 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I want more predictions. Those seem too probable.

    That’s like a weatherman predicting rain. I mean. Conditions are right for rain but if it doesn’t rain most people are happy so it’s always safe to predict rain. If we predict sunshine and it rains everyone remembers.

    I predict the Red Sox will win 75 games this season.

    I predict that it will rain tomorrow.

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,448 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A 38 year old Martin who has over 300 appearances in MLB being put on the IL for anxiety is certainly a new one.

    Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The mystery is why on earth would Red Sox management offer a 1 year contract to the manager, who's "leadership" in the prior two seasons found the team in back-to-back last place finishes. Surely there were more qualified candidates.

    The fans deserve better than to suffer through yet another bummer season. Today was an oddity, I didn't see the game, but I think they won 8-0. Not sure if that's because of poor pitching by the Braves, or the Red Sox team found their bats. The next 4 games should be a piece of cake. The Yankees are on fire, winning 7 in a row...gonna be pretty hard to catch them.

    I too thought "anxiety" was an oddity. Geez, you'd think after all those appearances that the butterflies were long gone.

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭✭

    @bgr said:
    I want more predictions. Those seem too probable.

    That’s like a weatherman predicting rain. I mean. Conditions are right for rain but if it doesn’t rain most people are happy so it’s always safe to predict rain. If we predict sunshine and it rains everyone remembers.

    I predict the Red Sox will win 75 games this season.

    I predict that it will rain tomorrow.

    Not here ! I predict that it will be HOT & DRY here and I will be sitting in front of either my computer or TV with my swamp cooler keeping me cool.

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,448 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MCMLVTopps said:
    I too thought "anxiety" was an oddity. Geez, you'd think after all those appearances that the butterflies were long gone.

    The only thing that would really make sense is that he was getting word they were thinking of releasing him. Given his age, the Red Sox position, and very minimal trade value the Red Sox would be better off replacing him with a young player. By doing the mental health claim it basically forces them to keep him on the roster and the checks coming.

    If he legitimately did develop such bad anxiety that he cant even play anymore he needs to retire for his own sake and find something calming that makes him happy

    Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007

  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,225 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i dont blame Cora . The organization itself is pathetic .
    personnel moves on a dollar tree budget with something like the 3rd highest ticket price in the league?

    management sees the fanbase as cattle and fans are waking up to it

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭✭

    Jamie Westbrook was signed to a contract by the Red Sox 13 years ago and had languished in the minors until finally coming up to the show this week and getting his 1st hit to officially be a major league player. Last night he got his 1st home run and you could see he was excited beyond belief. He has a wife & child that still works so he can achieve his goal . There is so little success in baseball it is great to see this happen and I wish him well for the future whatever happens for them going forth!

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Red Sox lose back-to-back to the worst team in baseball, the White Sox!! Scoring a paltry 3 runs in 2 games!!

    They remain 12.5 GB and are challenging for last place, now playing .492 ball. There is ONE hope for this team, and that's the remote possibilty of a Wildcard. Now that the Wildcard format has changed to a 2/3 playoff, they would still have win those 2 games to move forward...not likely.

    Surely they'll win today, I can't imagine losing 3 in a row to the White Sox. Now that the season is 40% complete, and not much sunshine ahead, I will officially state that the Red Sox are toast this year. I see more of a possibility that they will go back-to-back-to-back as last place finishers in the AL East.

    Oh, wondering who's next for the team...the Phillies for 3 and (drum roll), the Yankees for 3.
    To quote John McEnroe "you cannot be serious"...yup that's what's ahead.

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭✭

    The RedSox are losing players to the injured list faster than they can replace them.
    Management is not doing something right in their training program or this would not be happening.

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 10, 2024 9:37AM

    Well, to be fair, when you're dealing with anxiety (pretty rare), and a sore knee kinda stuff, I'm beginning to wonder if some of this stuff is more emotional than physical. These guys are professionals, young and supposed to be in great shape, otherwise they wouldn't be in the ML.

    So, they pull one out of the fire last night in the 10th inning. They were (if I recall correctly), one out away from losing 3/4 to the WORST team in baseball. They better tighten things up, the Phillies and Yankees won't be a walk in the park!!

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭✭

    They definately need to get something together whatever it is.

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well...the Red Sox now tied for 4th place in the AL East, just one game from the cellar, and 14 GB the leader.

    Who was the moron who let Kyle Schwarber slip away??? He declined an $11.5m option and went to the Phillies for $20m per. Who wouldn't? Somebody should have made more of an effort to sign this guy. Like so many before, the Red Sox appear to have a brain freeze when it comes to trades.

    THEY ARE DONE

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Red Sox played exceptionally well against the Phillies. Beating Nola was no easy task, as he's considered one of the best pitchers in the game. Now come the Yankees...we'll see how that goes.

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭✭

    The Phillies ought to be hot to trot after losing 2 to Sox so maybe they can beat up on the Yankees and the Yankees could stand to lose a few games anyway.

    THINK POSITIVE !!!!!!!

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,636 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just get smoked by the Yankees on the heals of that dirtbag Verdugo 🤬

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tommyrusty7 said:

    THINK POSITIVE !!!!!!!

    Time for you to face reality!

    The Red Sox gained nothing from the two wins against the Phillies. They were incredibly lucky to have beaten them, you know it and so do I. Beating Nola was no easy task...however, we wake up to see the Red Sox are still 14 games back after being hammered by the Yankees last night.

    The Yankees are red hot, having won 50 of their last 72 games, and they're at .694, while the Red Sox continue to limp along at a PALTRY .500. The Orioles are at .652!!

    What makes you feel so positive? What are you seeing that 99% of us aren't seeing. The days of long ago yesteryear are like High School memories, long, long ago and far away. No matter what the Red Sox do, when those above them are playing like they are, it matters not, they will not win the AL East, and they have a much better shot at last place. That's a fact, and that would make them back-to-back-to-back last place finishers in their division.

    Reality is reality, the numbers don't lie, the performances don't lie, you see it every game. They are not a cohesive team, there is little spark and that big thing missing IMO is espirt de corps.

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    Just get smoked by the Yankees on the heals of that dirtbag Verdugo 🤬

    I suspect you may have heard my LOUD excalmation of "oh $hit". What a punk loser, boy was he loving that moment.

  • BaltimoreYankeeBaltimoreYankee Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MCMLVTopps said:

    @perkdog said:
    Just get smoked by the Yankees on the heals of that dirtbag Verdugo 🤬

    I suspect you may have heard my LOUD exclamation of "oh $hit". What a punk loser, boy was he loving that moment.

    He didn't seem to be shaken up by the Fenway Faithful as some were expecting. Maybe tonight?
    Seriously though, last year the Yankees were rotating through any combination of Greg Allen, Jake Bauers, Willy Calhoun, Franchy Cordero, Estavan Florial and Billy McKinney. The addition of Soto and Verdugo in the outfield has completely transformed the team.

    Daniel
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,636 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 15, 2024 11:12AM

    @MCMLVTopps said:

    @perkdog said:
    Just get smoked by the Yankees on the heals of that dirtbag Verdugo 🤬

    I suspect you may have heard my LOUD excalmation of "oh $hit". What a punk loser, boy was he loving that moment.

    Yep. I know your not a fan of him.

    I'm with you Al

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BaltimoreYankee said:

    @MCMLVTopps said:

    @perkdog said:
    Just get smoked by the Yankees on the heals of that dirtbag Verdugo 🤬

    I suspect you may have heard my LOUD exclamation of "oh $hit". What a punk loser, boy was he loving that moment.

    He didn't seem to be shaken up by the Fenway Faithful as some were expecting. Maybe tonight?
    Seriously though, last year the Yankees were rotating through any combination of Greg Allen, Jake Bauers, Willy Calhoun, Franchy Cordero, Estavan Florial and Billy McKinney. The addition of Soto and Verdugo in the outfield has completely transformed the team.

    Verdugo was not a fan favorite in Boston. He had an attitude and ego that just didn't fit in here. Being late to the ballpark a couple of times found him sitting out. A lack of hustle running the bases was also a contributing factor. Most Red Sox fans are glad to see him gone. It's simply the transition of former Red Sox players from here to NY. He expected to be booed and he was...he got a lucky stroke and put one in deep center field...only did that once while with the Red Sox. Verdugo ended up with a clean slate and his history with the Red Sox is either unknown to you and your fans. No loss to us.

    BTW,I have no clue, nor do I care about any players you mentioned. Your team is on fire, enjoy the ride!

  • bgrbgr Posts: 1,704 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That happens so often. The Verdugo situation doesnt seem too dissimilar to Gary Sheffield with the Brewers. He had a terrible attitude and a chip on his shoulder. Some of it perhaps warranted. Many Milwaukee fans and those familiar with the situation expected him to have the same issues elsewhere.

    Not sayin Verdugo is going to go in the same direction but I remember thinking the same way about Sheff as people seem to feel about Verdugo… at least some in Boston.

    On Bauers. He’s solid at 1b. Nice power. So inconsistent. Reminds me of Travis Shaw.

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,448 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Verdugo was in a no win situation. Hes a better version of Benintendi who was expected to replace Mookie getting traded from a perennial first place team to a team that sometimes cares depending on their owners focus. He was never expected to be a star but was marketed as such because of the trade.

    Hes a huge upgrade for the Yankees who were running out first basemen with weak bats and former top prospects that can never stay healthy to the outfield last year. Judge and Stanton will probably get hurt at some point like usual but as long as its not season ending or right before the playoffs it wont really matter.

    The Os and Yankees can play .500 ball the rest of the year and that will be more than enough wins to make the playoffs in the AL and almost certainly finish 1 and 2 in whatever order for not only the division but the AL in general

    Boston can forget about the division. They do have a shot at the 3rd wild card spot for now unless Houston and Texas get their act together. Its a long shot especially with the number of games the Twins have left against the White Sox (who should be regulated to the minors at this point) but there is a fighting chance.

    Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭✭

    If they keep playing like the last 6 games on the line I like their chances. Once you get to the playoffs it's anybody game from there on.

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭✭

    Anybody have any hope of a Red Sox run yet or do they need to win another 10 or so games in a row before you will believe it. I am done posting on this subject. Good night all!

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