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Could this be considered machine doubling?

Because of this the signature has been repositioned.
I know PCGS now grades these varieties.
PCGS Recognizes and Discovers New Chinese Varieties
https://www.pcgs.com/news/pcgs-recognizes-and-discovers-new-chinese-varieties

This thread is only for the signature only.


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  • 1960NYGiants1960NYGiants Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭✭

    Yes. It could also be die deterioration.

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  • It seems more machined then deterioration. But I needed a little knowledge from the experts.

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  • The error seemed to have shifted the signature. Can you tell me if there is a refernce I can find online or in a book for the distance and postion of the signature of these coins?


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  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m not seeing anything significant here. It does appear to have some degradation or machine-doubling going on, but nothing that would indicate a major or minor variety of any kind. I don’t see any value-added errors. Sorry. I’m just not seeing anything worthwhile. All the ones PCGS is now recognizing in that article are doubled dies. These don’t look like double dies, even more significant is that you have two of them and the apparent doubling is different on each one. This gives additional evidence that it’s not a variety, but elements that happened because of the strike itself (machine doubling.)

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  • collectormel7collectormel7 Posts: 110 ✭✭
    edited June 5, 2024 2:43PM

    @SimonW
    Shame on all of you

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  • collectormel7collectormel7 Posts: 110 ✭✭
    edited June 5, 2024 8:00AM

    @Simon W
    And this is the same coin
    Not two different coins. The same. Shot at different angles and lightling was also different.

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  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @collectormel7 said:
    @Simon W
    And this is the same coin
    Not two different coins. The same. Shot at different angles and lightling was also different.

    Sorry, my mistake, it appeared quite different from the lighting difference, even the strike looks weaker near the bottom of the letters. It doesn’t change my opinion though.

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  • collectormel7collectormel7 Posts: 110 ✭✭
    edited June 5, 2024 2:42PM

    @Simon W

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  • Can you recommend a good camera for taking images of coins? With macro lens?

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  • sylsyl Posts: 945 ✭✭✭

    I think that it's die deterioration, not any important doubling. It's a spender.

  • @ Syl
    Why call my coin invaluable (spender)

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  • collectormel7collectormel7 Posts: 110 ✭✭
    edited June 5, 2024 1:53PM

    It is not modern or non collectible like the silver fakes circulation online.
    What makes it a spender?

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  • GreenstangGreenstang Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is this the same counterfeit coin that you posted multiple times last October?
    If it is then it does not matter if it is a Doubled Die or Machine Doubling.

  • No it is not a counterfiet just bad images.

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  • @Greenstang
    Not fake just very poorly shot images. Please be kind.

    Seems on this thread and forum my images are streched and enlarge and this makes already bad images look worse.
    Please have fun and not be so hardcore. Collecting is about money and there is a very high level of fraud in the world. But it is supposed to be fun. Let us be kind to eachother and just have fun collecting.

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  • And it is very poor images this coin is very authentic.

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