Exonumia - Peterson Trial Ticket
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In December 2004 I had to go to Redwood City (California) to get my car fixed.
While waiting I walked by the court house where the Scott Peterson trial was being held.
The bailiff took the names of people who wanted to visit the trial and then pulled tickets out of a hat.
I received the first ticket.
Scott Peterson trial admission ticket
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That's pretty cool!! 👍
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Great historical item! And totally by chance, no less.
Were you flipping a coin as you walked down the street, or did you pay for the car repairs in Sacagawea dollars?
It's not exonumia, it doesn't belong on this forum and it is, in my opinion, in poor taste to post something so unrelated to coins that is about the murder of a young woman who was eight-months pregnant. WTF?
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That's pretty cool to see
I think the word he wants is "ephemera " not "exonumia".
Event tickets are getting slabbed now. Game tickets, concert tickets, impeachment tickets, etc.
This might be slightly less controversial over on the Trading Cards & Memorabilia Forum.
Superbowl tickets are slabbed as a memento standard.
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From one random site on the World Wide Net:
Train Tickets : Old train or subway tickets, for example, can count as exonumia if they were intended as collectibles or if they have since acquired historical significance.
We're getting closer....
I would take issue with that definition. The "-numia" part is not satisfied by historical significance or collectibility. The "-numia" part requires some connection to money or value. So ALL train or subway tickets would be exonumia or none.
Doesn't a ticket represent "money" or "value"?
Presumably there is value to being a ticket holder, especially if there are not enough available to allow all interested parties to obtain one.
A ticket is definitely "ephemera". "Exonumia" is a bit of a stretch but it's somewhat arguable.
I don't know. Tough call for a free ticket. Might count.
I'm going to agree with @jmlanzaf for once. Circle the date on your calendars 😆
Exonumia requires a connection to numismatics. This is ephemera.
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Yeah, I'm with you too.
But subway tokens/cards/tickets are exonumia. You exchange money for something that provides the ability to enter.
Isn't it the same for a Taylor Swift concert ticket?
Just kicking the idea around. I'm not married to it either way.
No.
Tokens are, sure. But train tickets? Taylor Swift tickets?!
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Boy, you're wrong alot.
Didn't I see that some months ago Scott Peterson had his conviction reversed and was awarded a new trial?
No. He's still in jail. Maybe you're thinking of Harvey Weinstein?
It's a serial #1. That alone makes it collectible.
The fact is that some tickets qualify as exonumia while others do not. Having value alone isn't enough-it had to circulate as money to be considered money. Train and streetcar ticket from 100-180 years ago DID circulate as money and are certified by our hosts. Not so for a valuable Taylor Swift ticket. This ticket is not exonumia. We all agree.
Well, I guess this thread did serve a purpose... it opened a discussion on what is exonumia and what is not.
The hosts of this forum could easily bam this thread; but... if the title would be changed to something like: Is this considered exonumia? ..... then perhaps would be legit and keep going?
And my opinion on the item? Definitely a cool item, and a collectible, and perhaps has some value. BUT... it is NOT exonumia, which has a rather specific definition.
To the OP, I'd suggest doing a little write-up and having it notarized, and keep it with the ticket. It's very possible that the story of where/how these originated is largely unknown. It is probably a very rare item.
Agree with @JBK: this has to be a really unique item. A writeup about it will have value in the future, if not now.
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With all the media coverage for trials/stories such as this, it amounts to free advertising for any of these type of momentos.
The sooner this thread is gone the better.
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Many years ago, when I was living in Maryland, I was in a carpool and one of the carpool members was the sister of the then US Senator Barbara Mikulski. She got me a ticket through her sister to the "Impeachment of President William Jefferson Clinton." Each US Senator got two tickets for each day of the impeachment. I haven't seen it in many years but I know I still have it somewhere. I remember it being fancy and well engraved and printed on heavy stiff paper with a serial number and the date that the ticket was good for. There are similar tickets for the impeachment of Andrew Johnson. I think it's a very interesting piece of history.
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I wrote to about 50 US Senators trying to get one of those. I ended up getting two from the office of Sen. Paul Wellstone and two from Sen. John Kerry. At one time they were selling for around $200 but can be found for less on occassion.
The more recent impeachment had tickets as well, but the trial was much shorter. Those have sold for around $600.
Lame.
Double lame choosing this week to post.
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Wonder if the Lindbergh baby kidnapping trial,OJ trial had the same offering of admission tickets.