NGC 1873 Doubled Liberty - guess the grade - Considering a crossover to PCGS - Grade revealed
redraider
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So I have a great 1873 Doubled Liberty Indian Head Cent that is currently in an NGC holder.
I am considering a cross-over to PCGS, either with a crackout or a direct loss-over submission. I am curious to see what you think it is graded currently. Depending on the answers, I might risk cracking it out and submitting this raw.
This variety is usually seen plagued with strikethroughs in LIBERTY. There is an MS63RB that has been for sale for a long time cheap as you can't see the first 4 letters in Liberty. Another MS BN on coin facts shows this as well, to a lesser degree.
What are your thoughts?
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I like it! MS63BN is my guess although it's on the edge of RB IMO.
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I'm thinking MS64RB, but I'm unsure on cleaning based in the photos
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The coin gives me the feeling of very slight rub, but I'm sure it is graded as MS63BN (may be RB but should be BN imo) or thereabouts.
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Cool coin, but depending on the holder it’s in now, I’d probably be hesitant to crack it and submit it to PCGS. From the images there is a risk it could wind up in a Details holder, imo.
Could be details, but for now I’ll go 64RB.
Why do you want to cross it over to PCGS?
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Disregarding any detail not evidenced by the pics, 63BN. RB would not surprise me though.
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A few reasons....
1st - registry
2nd - eventual resale
3rd - I have mostly PCGS coins and this doesn't fit in the dang box!
@redraider: nice find! I don’t see evidence of cleaning like some here do. I agree with submitting to PCGS for all your reasons given. For a BIG variety like this one, I would always want it in a PCGS holder. Good luck!
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So it is in an old MS63BN holder. If the amount of original red was swapped and the obverse showed more then the reverse, It would. have graded Red/Brown.
I think there is a lot of upside potential here as there are no carbon spots, no large dings, and the original luster is still there. This coin has not been cleaned.
I would be happy if it crossed to MS63, Very happy if it goes to 63+, and ecstatic if it goes to MS64. I believe it will stay brown, but you never know. I would rather have a brown coin with a good bit of red than a red/brown coin with not much red.
Whatever the grade, that coin has a great look. Worth 64 money IMO.
So what you gonna do?
Ps: Love the coin as a MS64RB
Maybe have Rck Snow take a peek at it and maybe submit it for you
Mike
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I just did a quickie search after looking at yours. SO there are plenty DDO's out there, but not like yours due to zero strike thru's. Yours is practically one of a kind, sure I saw a couple bold DDO's but only a couple but not anywhere near your grade or color or eye appeal. You have a special die state that is for sure. I understand the desire to get it into pcgs but I would leave it be just the same
Given the value and scarcity of the coin, I agree that a consultation with Rick would be prudent.
@redraider: I’m going to email you pics of my 64BN. Comparing the two, I believe you might have a good chance @64 here & with a shot @ RB. As you will see, mine is clearly a BN. Plus, I agree with alaura22 & Walkerguy21D that it would be a good idea to run it by Rick & even have him do the submission.
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I agree Rick's opinion on the coin would be beneficial in deciding if to submit raw or as a crossover, but why wouldn't the OP just submit it themselves based on what he says?
@ TrickleCharge: submissions are supposed to be “blind” but one can direct them to a contact @ PCGS they work with. I’m guessing Rick may have such a person.
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Really, is that true?
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Mike
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Correctly graded in the NGC holder.