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Preakness Stakes this Saturday. 2nd leg of the Triple Crown.

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Bob Baffert has 2 entered. As well as Wayne Lukas. Mystic Dan hopes to emerge victorious to keep his Triple Crown hopes alive. So do the folks in Saratoga as the Belmont Stakes will be hosted there,albeit at a shortened distance. If Dan were to achieve TC status via a win at Pimlico and the Belmont Stakes, it will come with an asterisk, as the Belmont distance won't be contested at the normal classic distance of 1 1/2 mile distance.
Your thoughts,picks? Can Dan keep it going?

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,242 ✭✭✭✭✭

    not a handicapper

    i'll try to remember to flip it over come a few before post time

    with such a close derby, it could be anyone's race

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  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    not a handicapper

    i'll try to remember to flip it over come a few before post time

    with such a close derby, it could be anyone's race

    Just an fyi. The 2 Derby horses that ran 2nd and 3rd are skipping this race. But nonetheless it could still be a close race, just with different participants. The drama is being provided by the Bob Baffert entrants. Best of luck if you do place a bet. Thanks for your interest.

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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,159 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not a "prediction" but I have seen a number of times over the years, whereby in a graded stakes race such as this, when a top trainer has two entries, the horse with the longer odds wins the race.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stevek said:
    Not a "prediction" but I have seen a number of times over the years, whereby in a graded stakes race such as this, when a top trainer has two entries, the horse with the longer odds wins the race.

    Correct. It's an angle I watch as well. This year Chad Brown had 3 uncoupled horses in one race and the longest odds of the 3 scored. For years when a trainer had 2 or more entrants in a race the rule was they must be coupled. But dwindling horse stock led to less entrants. Thus to maintain adequate betting fields the rule was changed allowing the uncoupling. Bettors do not like 4/5 horse fields with low win odds to choose from.

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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,159 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:

    @stevek said:
    Not a "prediction" but I have seen a number of times over the years, whereby in a graded stakes race such as this, when a top trainer has two entries, the horse with the longer odds wins the race.

    Correct. It's an angle I watch as well. This year Chad Brown had 3 uncoupled horses in one race and the longest odds of the 3 scored. For years when a trainer had 2 or more entrants in a race the rule was they must be coupled. But dwindling horse stock led to less entrants. Thus to maintain adequate betting fields the rule was changed allowing the uncoupling. Bettors do not like 4/5 horse fields with low win odds to choose from.

    A bettor who can't decide which horse in the entry to play, could always just bet both of them to win. Yes on say a $2 ticket on both, the profit would be reduced by $2 if you win, but at least you're cashing a ticket.

    Of course the risk is if one of the horses is say 4/5, if that one wins, overall you lost money on the bet. Investing $4.00 total but the winning ticket only pays $3.80. That being said, if the longer odds horse wins, it's usually a good percentage score.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Muth out of race. Spiked a fever. Was the favorite. Baffert still has his other shooter, Imagination entered. This makes Mystic Dan the favorite.

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  • LandrysFedoraLandrysFedora Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:
    Muth out of race. Spiked a fever. Was the favorite. Baffert still has his other shooter, Imagination entered. This makes Mystic Dan the favorite.

    When was the last triple crown winner?

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,242 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LandrysFedora said:

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:
    Muth out of race. Spiked a fever. Was the favorite. Baffert still has his other shooter, Imagination entered. This makes Mystic Dan the favorite.

    When was the last triple crown winner?

    https://www.nbcsports.com/horse-racing/news/kentucky-derby-triple-crown-history-winners-by-year-latest-horse-to-win-records

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  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Imagination,Just Steel.

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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,159 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:
    Imagination,Just Steel.

    I think you've got the right idea.

    Of course Mystik Dan could win, and he could win easily. But there's no value there at all for a multitude of reasons.

  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2024 1:08PM

    I’m down $80 from the Derby so let’s see what we can do about it today.
    I refuse to bet scratch horses heads up so let put Mystic Dan in with a few others.
    $100 exacta box
    2 Uncle Heavy 20-1
    3 Catching freedom 6-1
    5 Mystic Dan 5-2

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  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wife just informed me she’s not doing well at the slots. (Came back for another $100) and she wants to try the ponies later today
    $100 exacta box
    3 Catching Freedom
    5 Mystic Dan
    8 Tuscan gold

    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Surprised to see "Dan" at 3-1. "Uncle Heavy" much late $, 20-1 to 7-1. Due in part to jockey Ortiz.

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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,159 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2024 2:54PM

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:
    Surprised to see "Dan" at 3-1. "Uncle Heavy" much late $, 20-1 to 7-1. Due in part to jockey Ortiz.

    These days, I've got my money in the stock market and mutuals. And of course cards and coins. Nothing in horse racing and it's gonna stay that way. So I've got no skin in the game with this race.

    That being said, I've seen a lot of horse races in my time, probably more than most. So take my next comment with a grain of salt, and that's all it's probably worth.

    Mystik Dan was a 5-2 morning line strong second choice to Muth which was a strong favorite, close to even money. "Normally" if a horse is live, a horse in this situation with the favorite being scratched, should be around even money. But Mystik Dan is now going off at 3-1?

    My opinion is that the big boys are figuring Mystik Dan isn't going to fire today, and I happen to agree with them. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong. I've been wrong on horse racing countless times before. LOL

  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,159 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You guys had the right idea that a long shot would win.

    just didn't choose the right one. 🙁

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lukas had 2 horses, longer shot wins. Speed wins at Pimlico, especially with the tight turns.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,242 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2024 3:16PM

    remembered to flip over.

    clean win great story on the jockey.

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  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    remembered to flip over.

    clean win great story on the jockey.

    ~2,570 owners via ownership shares. have to hear more about the money distribution.

    Racing has got so expensive that is the only way to get in the game as an owner. That's how a friend of mine got involved. Glad there was no fatalities.

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  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    On to the Belmont at Saratoga,albeit at a shorter distance.

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  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    remembered to flip over.

    clean win great story on the jockey.

    ~2,570 owners via ownership shares. have to hear more about the money distribution.

    Each participant put in $127 for a share.

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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,159 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:

    @MsMorrisine said:
    remembered to flip over.

    clean win great story on the jockey.

    ~2,570 owners via ownership shares. have to hear more about the money distribution.

    Each participant put in $127 for a share.

    $326,390 for a Preakness winner.

    That's a pretty good investment. 😊

  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,159 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @2dueces said:
    Wife just informed me she’s not doing well at the slots. (Came back for another $100) and she wants to try the ponies later today
    $100 exacta box
    3 Catching Freedom
    5 Mystic Dan
    8 Tuscan gold

    My advice for the wife. If she's gonna play the slots, play those at the beginning or end of the row, closest as possible to the casino floor entrance or at least the well traveled areas. Never play the slots in the "back" areas that are sort of hidden from most views.

    It is fact that the casinos salt the slots "up front" so that the winning sounds and lights will attract others in the crowd to see it happening, and get the urge to jump on the bandwagon.

  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I failed to check the colors of the horses and as soon as I saw the walk to post I knew I had made a huge mistake. An old horse ball saying is when the track is muddy bet the gray horse. Came true in the second biggest race of the year.
    Maria hit a slot for $280 and quit so our losses for the day weren’t too bad. I bombed out all day on the off track but my system usually only works on a fast track.
    Truck came home $400 lighter

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    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    At least the wife had the winner. She always bets the grey horses.

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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,703 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just missed the triple..had 1-2-4.



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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,159 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:
    Lukas had 2 horses, longer shot wins. Speed wins at Pimlico, especially with the tight turns.

    "Lukas had 2 horses, longer shot wins."

    The precise angle we discussed earlier.

    The exacta payoff was a bit on the high side. Perhaps the big boys decided to place their money on the horse to win, rather than fool around with exactas? The track takeout being much less on win bets versus exactas.

    Perhaps they threw out Mystik Dan in any exacta bets. That horse did get a perfect dream trip, and still could only barely finish second.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stevek said:

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:
    Lukas had 2 horses, longer shot wins. Speed wins at Pimlico, especially with the tight turns.

    "Lukas had 2 horses, longer shot wins."

    The precise angle we discussed earlier.

    The exacta payoff was a bit on the high side. Perhaps the big boys decided to place their money on the horse to win, rather than fool around with exactas? The track takeout being much less on win bets versus exactas.

    Perhaps they threw out Mystik Dan in any exacta bets. That horse did get a perfect dream trip, and still could only barely finish second.

    And Dan supposedly was an off track horse.

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