GEM 10, 2000 Bowman Tom Brady, Value on eBay

FredJRI

Anyway, to get an idea of what the 2000 Bowman, Tom Brady, #138, GEM 10 ( Mint Grading ) ON EBAY is worth ?
GMJ4005184, ID 186419558416

olb31

@craig44 said:
you could try using ebay sold listings or go to 130point.com. they give past sales data as well.

is it graded by "mint grading?" if so, before you were to sell or resubmit to one of the big 3 graders, you will want to measure the card and make sure it has not been trimmed. there is usually a reason why cards are sent to lesser grading companies.

I didn't know about the 130 website thanks for the info.

FredJRI

Thank you for your reply
Wasn't aware of 130point.com either.

Fred

bgr

The 80s Henderson was THE card we chased as kids. Rickey was fun to watch.

I think that the 10 statistics are skewed because there’s many more lower grade Henderson rookies than the others. It’s the most valuable card.

I wouldn’t trust much of what PSA says but with the higher value cards there must be more attention and it’s tough to have a PSA 10 vintage card. Maybe when PSA was a small company in the early 90s but at this scale it should be impossible to keep this type of gamesmanship secret. So I’m not convinced in that narrative. You’ll find every opinion available here though.

When you ask “are graders more cautious…”. It sure seems that they round down.

craig44

@bgr said:
I love a good conspiracy theory. I don't subscribe to them, but I really adore them. Whether there is any "funny business" goin on here... I don't know, but, the first step is to assume the conspiracy is real.

Next. Based on that assumption, let's support and validate the conspiracy...

Let's disseminate our evidence of the conspiracy, or is this just a conspiracy wrapped in a conspiracy? I could go for a conspiracy burrito... I'm hungry.

What does PSA have to gain from doing this?

How would they do it?

Do the graders know, and if they don't, how would they do this without them being aware?

Do the graders know, and if they do, how come no former PSA grader hasn't released details on the process?

PSA would gain the record prices realized for 93 SP Jeters and 80 Hendersons. those high prices are free advertising for them.

bgr

@craig44 said:

@bgr said:
I love a good conspiracy theory. I don't subscribe to them, but I really adore them. Whether there is any "funny business" goin on here... I don't know, but, the first step is to assume the conspiracy is real.

Next. Based on that assumption, let's support and validate the conspiracy...

Let's disseminate our evidence of the conspiracy, or is this just a conspiracy wrapped in a conspiracy? I could go for a conspiracy burrito... I'm hungry.

What does PSA have to gain from doing this?

How would they do it?

Do the graders know, and if they don't, how would they do this without them being aware?

Do the graders know, and if they do, how come no former PSA grader hasn't released details on the process?

PSA would gain the record prices realized for 93 SP Jeters and 80 Hendersons. those high prices are free advertising for them.

I would like to hear your thoughts on the other aspects as well.

But then let's assume that's the truth.

PSA is controlling the pop on cards so that when they sell, they sell for record prices, and this is free advertising.

Advertising is good. Advertising is cheap already, but free is the best form of cheap.

1980 Rickey would be 26/35430 ~= 0.000733 = 0.0733%
1993 Jeter would be 22/23232 ~= 0.000946 = 0.0946%

So are they setting individual levels for the different cards to confuse us?

What if I just look at the 9s and 10s.

1980 Rickey would be 26/2215 ~= 0.0117 = 1.17%
1993 Jeter would be 22/649 ~= 0.0338 = 3.38%

Let's break the grades up into A-7 and 8-10.

1980 Rickey A-7 would be 20853/35430 ~= 0.588 = 58.8% (of cards getting grades 7 or lower)
1993 Jeter A-7 would be 13000/23232 ~= 0.559 = 55.9% (^^)

So both of these cards have a large percent of their submissions 7 or lower. Let's assume that we know 7s and lower are not 10s so those would play no role in pop-control. I think the same could be said of 8s as well... objectively we know why an 8 is an 8 almost always. I'll leave them in regardless.

1980 Rickey Gem Rate on 8-10 would be 26/14577 ~= 0.00178 = 0.178% (9-10 = 1.17%)
1993 Jeter Gem Rate on 8-10 would be 22/10232 ~= 0.00215 = 0.215% (9-10 = 3.38%)

1980 Yount 8-10 = 4.20%
1980 Jackson 8-10 = 7.57%
1980 Ryan 8-10 = 1.06%
1980 Rose 8-10 = 4.57%
1980 Bench 8-10 = 7.54%
1980 Murray 8-10 = 5.36%
1980 Winfield 8-10 = 0.32%

I just scanned through the pop report and checked ones which had over 1000 total graded. Once I checked one, I didn't omit it. So you can judge the results for yourself, but there are some inconsistencies. When I see examples like the 1980 Ryan and the 1980 Winfield in such a small sample that contradict the conspiracy allegation how should we go about dismissing them? It can only mean that there is a larger conspiracy.

dontippet

Also, many more low grade Henderson's are sent in for grading than any other card in that particular set. I may send in a Henderson that I think might get a PSA 5 or 6 long before I would send in an mid grade Ryan or Brett. Because of this, every high end card will have a fewer percentage of 10's.

mintonlypls

@FredJRI said:
Strange thing happened to me back in the mid - late 80's.
I use to hang out at a local bar in RI, and a guy/kid ( maybe late 20's ) wanted to sell his sports cards mostly all 1980 Topps.
He brought them in a shoe box, I quickly looked and offered him IIRC about $50. ( Sober now for 37 years + lololol 12/05/1986 the year of Bill Buckner )
When I got them home there were five (5) fairly nice (puff) Hendersons in it. I think 10's may have listed for about $200 in Beckett Magazine. I gave one to my Grandson. later about 5-7 years ago sold 2 for $150 each on Facebook and kept the 2 best ones along with the one in the 1980 complete set which I had.
Guess it's time to get them graded...lololol
My first ever grading order should be back in about a week from PSA (1 - 79 Topps W. Gretzky RC, 1 - 1986 Fleer M. Jordan RC and a MJ sticker. Sent them in at 39.99 each $500 declared value 20 days.... think it's going to cost me a 'little' bit more.

Good luck...let us know how the grades turn out to be.

Cakes

@ndleo said:

@Cakes said:

@craig44 said:

@FredJRI said:
The value of the card is still good depending on the grading service ..correct?
It could be regraded graded a 10 by PSA, BGS or others ..corect ?

it is possible, but it is exceedingly rare to get cards like this graded 10's. that is why they are so valuable in those grades.

Unfortunately over the last 3 or 4 years the grading standards have tightened and 10's are extremely rare. With the grading companies being reluctant on giving out 10's I think we will start to see a steady increase of 9.5's for sale in the future.

Are we talking about pre-1980 stuff or vintage PSA grading. I sub modern/ultra modern and I don't see a difference in the grading standards. My Gem Rate is pretty consistent with my orders.

Vintage - 80% Modern - 20%

FredJRI

@Cakes said:

@craig44 said:

@FredJRI said:
The value of the card is still good depending on the grading service ..correct?
It could be regraded graded a 10 by PSA, BGS or others ..corect ?

it is possible, but it is exceedingly rare to get cards like this graded 10's. that is why they are so valuable in those grades.

Unfortunately over the last 3 or 4 years the grading standards have tightened and 10's are extremely rare. With the grading companies being reluctant on giving out 10's I think we will start to see a steady increase of 9.5's for sale in the future.

Why have grading standards changed over the past 3-4yeras?

craig44

you could try using ebay sold listings or go to 130point.com. they give past sales data as well.

is it graded by "mint grading?" if so, before you were to sell or resubmit to one of the big 3 graders, you will want to measure the card and make sure it has not been trimmed. there is usually a reason why cards are sent to lesser grading companies.

vols1

gemgrading.net is no longer in business. The value of the cards went belly up along with the website....

FredJRI

The value of the card is still good depending on the grading service ..correct?
It could be regraded graded a 10 by PSA, BGS or others ..corect ?

JoeBanzai

@FredJRI said:
The value of the card is still good depending on the grading service ..correct?
It could be regraded graded a 10 by PSA, BGS or others ..corect ?

Anything's possible.

craig44

@FredJRI said:
The value of the card is still good depending on the grading service ..correct?
It could be regraded graded a 10 by PSA, BGS or others ..corect ?

it is possible, but it is exceedingly rare to get cards like this graded 10's. that is why they are so valuable in those grades.

Cakes

@craig44 said:

@FredJRI said:
The value of the card is still good depending on the grading service ..correct?
It could be regraded graded a 10 by PSA, BGS or others ..corect ?

it is possible, but it is exceedingly rare to get cards like this graded 10's. that is why they are so valuable in those grades.

Unfortunately over the last 3 or 4 years the grading standards have tightened and 10's are extremely rare. With the grading companies being reluctant on giving out 10's I think we will start to see a steady increase of 9.5's for sale in the future.

DBesse27

@Cakes said:

@craig44 said:

@FredJRI said:
The value of the card is still good depending on the grading service ..correct?
It could be regraded graded a 10 by PSA, BGS or others ..corect ?

it is possible, but it is exceedingly rare to get cards like this graded 10's. that is why they are so valuable in those grades.

Unfortunately over the last 3 or 4 years the grading standards have tightened and 10's are extremely rare. With the grading companies being reluctant on giving out 10's I think we will start to see a steady increase of 9.5's for sale in the future.

Just clarifying for the OP, since he seems new to this: PSA doesn’t have a 9.5 grade, though other companies do.

FredJRI

I have a feeling that PSA and other companies favor certain players and cards. I did an in-depth study or 1980 Topps baseball. The possibility of getting a 10 was about 1 in 300 on most popular players except Henderson which was 1 in a 1000 IIRC. Not 100% sure of those figures but I do recall it was nearly 4 times as great

bgr

There’s a YouTuber who did a study on the 80s Henderson under pop control.

I don’t remember the video in great detail but it was interesting. I think he also did one on the Ryan rookie or maybe it was the 71.

Found the link in case anyone was interested.

https://youtu.be/0pUSIBlEHkw?si=PRq68r93Lbfrp18k

FredJRI

I just checked again. Chances of getting a 10 for a 1980 Ryan, Brett, Rose, Bench are about 2% or 2 in 100 but Henderson is about .01 % or 1 in 1200 (26 / 35,000) . I asked PSA why. They really couldn't say other than the graders are not aware of the statistics when grading. I find that hard to believe, b because if I graded cards for a living, I'd know that #482 Henderson is the most sort after and valuable card in the set. Are graders more cautious to give a 10 to a Henderson than a Ryan, Brett, Rose or others? Just curious about your thoughts. I'm not objecting just food for thought. lolololol

FredJRI

I'm open to all opinions and respect everyone's say.
I'm just curious to know why a 10 Henderson is 25X harder to find than any other HOF in that set?

We are not looking at cards from the 50's or 60's where sports card collecting was really a hobby.
I got into the hobby around the early 80's before the market flooding began,. and wouldn't put a Henderson, Clemens, Boggs, McGuire, etc. card in the spokes of my bicycle like I did an early 50's Mantle , Mays, Aaron, etc. hehehehehehe (sigh)

OI recall in the late 70's visiting my parents' home (where I grew up) and my father asking me what I wanted to do with the box of sports cards my brother and I had stashed ( cards from the 50's when we were in our teens or early 20's ) Reply to father .." just throw them away" lololo.
l My first sports card store visit was to a shop called "My Mom Threw Out My Baseball Cards " If i only knew !!!

burghman

@FredJRI said:
I just checked again. Chances of getting a 10 for a 1980 Ryan, Brett, Rose, Bench are about 2% or 2 in 100 but Henderson is about .01 % or 1 in 1200 (26 / 35,000) . I asked PSA why. They really couldn't say other than the graders are not aware of the statistics when grading. I find that hard to believe, b because if I graded cards for a living, I'd know that #482 Henderson is the most sort after and valuable card in the set. Are graders more cautious to give a 10 to a Henderson than a Ryan, Brett, Rose or others? Just curious about your thoughts. I'm not objecting just food for thought. lolololol

I don’t know the specifics of this card, but keep in mind that there are frequently recurring issues with certain cards based on location on the sheet or something as simple as how things were stored. The 1952 Pafko #1 is an example of the latter - it’s tougher to find in high grades because it was on the top of the card stack when kids wrapped them in rubber bands, so it took the most damage. The Fernando Valenzuela rookie is an example of the sheet apparently playing into it… even when you find a well centered front, the back is horrible - or vice versa. The Henderson may just be one of those cases vs. and extreme case of population control by PSA.

FredJRI

If placed in order3 # 482 should not normal be at the top or bottom of the stack of 660 or so cards.
Had some uncut sheets .. don't recall the exact location don't think it was a factor.
Thanks for your input.

FredJRI

@craig44 said:

@FredJRI said:
The value of the card is still good depending on the grading service ..correct?
It could be regraded graded a 10 by PSA, BGS or others ..corect ?

it is possible, but it is exceedingly rare to get cards like this graded 10's. that is why they are so valuable in those grades.

Why would the 80's Henderson be at least 25X as likely to get a10 compared to the Ryan, Brett or nay other HOF'ers in the set. Production was similar to the best of my knowledge.

_Do you honestly think that the grading companies (ie BGS, PSA, etc.) don t influence the amount of 10's and hence value of the card ??? _

Personally, I don't really care that much . but would love to get a straight answer.

I know it'd not possible but say hypothetically one could send in (100) 80 Ryans or Brett's and (100) Hendersons without the company or graders knowing the actual card. I'd be very curious to know the ratio of 10's per 100 lot ....if you follow what I'm saying. Would it be 2% on the first and .01% on the later .. I don't think so:) lolololol

craig44

@FredJRI
there is a conspiracy (that i pretty much believe in) that PSA is guarding the POP reports for some very popular cards like the 80 henderson. Some other pretty common cards they have seemed to do that with are the 93 sp Jeter, the 86 fleer jordan, 75 topps brett, 86 topps Rice and 81 topps Montana. all are pretty common cards and if they opened the flood gates with a batch of new "10's" values would plummet and many would lose lots of $. it is exceedingly rare for a new "10" to pop up of one of those cards.

Cakes

@DBesse27 said:

@Cakes said:

@craig44 said:

@FredJRI said:
The value of the card is still good depending on the grading service ..correct?
It could be regraded graded a 10 by PSA, BGS or others ..corect ?

it is possible, but it is exceedingly rare to get cards like this graded 10's. that is why they are so valuable in those grades.

Unfortunately over the last 3 or 4 years the grading standards have tightened and 10's are extremely rare. With the grading companies being reluctant on giving out 10's I think we will start to see a steady increase of 9.5's for sale in the future.

Just clarifying for the OP, since he seems new to this: PSA doesn’t have a 9.5 grade, though other companies do.

Good catch DBesse! I should have been clearer. I have only subbed via SGC since the standards tightened.

bgr

I love a good conspiracy theory. I don't subscribe to them, but I really adore them. Whether there is any "funny business" goin on here... I don't know, but, the first step is to assume the conspiracy is real.

Next. Based on that assumption, let's support and validate the conspiracy...

Let's disseminate our evidence of the conspiracy, or is this just a conspiracy wrapped in a conspiracy? I could go for a conspiracy burrito... I'm hungry.

What does PSA have to gain from doing this?

How would they do it?

Do the graders know, and if they don't, how would they do this without them being aware?

Do the graders know, and if they do, how come no former PSA grader hasn't released details on the process?

craig44

I think it is a false equivalency comparing a key card like the Henderson to other star cards from the same set. one, you dont have the visibility and high auction prices when one sells like you would a "10" henderson. you also have a much smaller data base as far fewer of those lesser cards are subbed. less data can = skewed results.

bgr

@craig44 said:
I think it is a false equivalency comparing a key card like the Henderson to other star cards from the same set. one, you dont have the visibility and high auction prices when one sells like you would a "10" henderson. you also have a much smaller data base as far fewer of those lesser cards are subbed. less data can = skewed results.

I didn't promote this comparison. This was the comparison the OP invoked. I think it's a fine comparison though.

We can discuss next whether this truly is apples & oranges. I assume you're asserting here that the value of the card is the significant difference which makes this comparison of lesser (or no) equivalence?

I have a feeling that PSA and other companies favor certain players and cards. I did an in-depth study or 1980 Topps baseball. The possibility of getting a 10 was about 1 in 300 on most popular players except Henderson which was 1 in a 1000 IIRC. Not 100% sure of those figures but I do recall it was nearly 4 times as great

If I was peering into this problem I would probably think that... Lower price cards would have a higher gem-10 rate compared to higher price cards as the value of grading lower price cards doesn't exist. Meaning. Lower price cards you mostly see the best of the best. Higher price cards you see everything. This is why I showed consideration of grades 8-10. I think there's enough subjectivity and experience to say that someone things this 8 might be a 10, but if I was truly being fair, I would probably say.. I think that 30% of these submitted 8s were thought to be 10s and 65% of these 8s were thought to be 9s, and 5% of these 8s were thought to be 7s (for the submitter). I just made up that distribution on the fly without much consideration, but I think the concept is valid. Would you expect the opposite - that lesser stars would have lower PSA 10 rates?

I'm sure others have looked at the 10 rates of the players around him on the sheet or his position on other sheets. I know he's not on the edge of the sheet from memory, but other than that I don't know much about the positioning.

FredJRI

@dontippet said:
Also, many more low grade Henderson's are sent in for grading than any other card in that particular set. I may send in a Henderson that I think might get a PSA 5 or 6 long before I would send in an mid grade Ryan or Brett. Because of this, every high end card will have a fewer percentage of 10's.

This makes sense and is a fairly good explanation of why the % of 10"s on Henderson are skewed as compared to the other % of 10's in the set. !!! I like this logic.
Collectors are trying to hit the 'grand slam' with a 10 graded Henderson worth about $150,000 and are submitting many more than other cards in the set., probably knowing it's not a 10 but even an 8 or 9 worth $300 or $2500.

What I also find very interesting is the value of the !!0 graded Henderson over the past 10 years ..lololol

2012 ~ $ 11,000
2016 ~ $ 35,000
2020 ~ $ 60,000
2022 ~ $168,000

What would the value of that Henderson be if there were 100 or 200, PSA graded 10's instead of only 26???
PSA is the "Holy Grail Standard" of sport card grading and demands a premium compared to other grading services.
I wonder if the other grading companies offer statistics on population and grades like PSA, and if so, how they would compare?

Wouldn't it be fairly foolish to have anyone else other than PSA grade a good Henderson even though it may be more difficult to get a 9 or 10.

Isn't this good for PSA business and sales?

Just food for thought. lolololol

sayheywyo

I might be in the minority, but the '80 Henderson in PSA 9 has been well manipulated and overpriced..... kinda like the UD Griffey in PSA 10.

FredJRI

@sayheywyo said:
I might be in the minority, but the '80 Henderson in PSA 9 has been well manipulated and overpriced..... kinda like the UD Griffey in PSA 10.

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I can't agree with PSA 9 or even PSA 8.
$2500 - $8000 and $300 - $600 seems reasonable at least to me.

However, the 10 scares the bejesus out of me $125,000 - $XY0,000 ?.

BBBrkrr

@sayheywyo said:
I might be in the minority, but the '80 Henderson in PSA 9 has been well manipulated and overpriced..... kinda like the UD Griffey in PSA 10.

I don't agree with you on the 9 pricing. I think it's probably fair depending on how desirable it is, and how hard it is to get a 10.

It was less than 10 years ago (if my memory serves) where that card was easy to get for under $500, and I thought that was cheap at the time (wish I'd bought more).

craig44

@BBBrkrr you are correct on the prices on the 9's. i remember when there would be a dozen or more on the bay for $400 +/-

FredJRI

Strange thing happened to me back in the mid - late 80's.
I use to hang out at a local bar in RI, and a guy/kid ( maybe late 20's ) wanted to sell his sports cards mostly all 1980 Topps.
He brought them in a shoe box, I quickly looked and offered him IIRC about $50. ( Sober now for 37 years + lololol 12/05/1986 the year of Bill Buckner )
When I got them home there were five (5) fairly nice (puff) Hendersons in it. I think 10's may have listed for about $200 in Beckett Magazine. I gave one to my Grandson. later about 5-7 years ago sold 2 for $150 each on Facebook and kept the 2 best ones along with the one in the 1980 complete set which I had.
Guess it's time to get them graded...lololol
My first ever grading order should be back in about a week from PSA (1 - 79 Topps W. Gretzky RC, 1 - 1986 Fleer M. Jordan RC and a MJ sticker. Sent them in at 39.99 each $500 declared value 20 days.... think it's going to cost me a 'little' bit more.

sayheywyo

@BBBrkrr Less than 5 years ago the PSA 9 could be had for as low as craig44 indicated in the $400 range. Then PWCC sells a PSA 10 for $180K at the start of 2021 (3 times previous high) and we all know about PWCC and how the tide rises. PSA 9's jumped up to $2500+. Point being: it was manipulated and guess who had several 9's to auction with the tide rising.
I agree (and I'm sure Rickey would too) it is a desirable card and has definitely come down in value since 2021.

FredJRI

@mintonlypls said:

@FredJRI said:
Strange thing happened to me back in the mid - late 80's.
I use to hang out at a local bar in RI, and a guy/kid ( maybe late 20's ) wanted to sell his sports cards mostly all 1980 Topps.
He brought them in a shoe box, I quickly looked and offered him IIRC about $50. ( Sober now for 37 years + lololol 12/05/1986 the year of Bill Buckner )
When I got them home there were five (5) fairly nice (puff) Hendersons in it. I think 10's may have listed for about $200 in Beckett Magazine. I gave one to my Grandson. later about 5-7 years ago sold 2 for $150 each on Facebook and kept the 2 best ones along with the one in the 1980 complete set which I had.
Guess it's time to get them graded...lololol
My first ever grading order should be back in about a week from PSA (1 - 79 Topps W. Gretzky RC, 1 - 1986 Fleer M. Jordan RC and a MJ sticker. Sent them in at 39.99 each $500 declared value 20 days.... think it's going to cost me a 'little' bit more.

Good luck...let us know how the grades turn out to be.

**WILCO
**

PatriotTrading

@sayheywyo said:
I might be in the minority, but the '80 Henderson in PSA 9 has been well manipulated and overpriced..... kinda like the UD Griffey in PSA 10.

When you look at the price of an unopened wax box, it's about right and I really believe people realized that over time. 1980 Topps Rickey Henderson RC's were going for $300-$500 in PSA 9 about a decade ago. The cost of an unopened box was about $1500 if I remember correctly. So you could buy 3-5 graded rookie cards and be done with it. The odds were against you pulling a PSA 10. What's a box cost now?

Heck, I recently broke about 3 boxes worth of 1981 Topps Baseball rack boxes. I have maybe 50-60 gradable cards and maybe 15 have the possibility of a PSA 10. It's not only tough but cost ineffective to break and grade. I was only in the race packs for $5 per so I was good there. If you look at PSA 9 Hall of Famers from that timeframe, they are trending up.

FredJRI

What were you looking for in the 81"s a Rose or a Ryan, etc.
.. the odds of getting a 10 are about 1 in a100.
Good Luck.

FredJRI

FredJRI

That is about the clearest I'll get w/o spending hours. .... we will see what PSA or BGC grades it at.. if it's not fake. !!!

ndleo

@Cakes said:

@craig44 said:

@FredJRI said:
The value of the card is still good depending on the grading service ..correct?
It could be regraded graded a 10 by PSA, BGS or others ..corect ?

it is possible, but it is exceedingly rare to get cards like this graded 10's. that is why they are so valuable in those grades.

Unfortunately over the last 3 or 4 years the grading standards have tightened and 10's are extremely rare. With the grading companies being reluctant on giving out 10's I think we will start to see a steady increase of 9.5's for sale in the future.

Are we talking about pre-1980 stuff or vintage PSA grading. I sub modern/ultra modern and I don't see a difference in the grading standards. My Gem Rate is pretty consistent with my orders.

pdoidoi

@IRJDERF said:
BTW, I'm not trying to sell anything !!!

Did you sell your stamps $300- $700

FredJRI

Not even trying.

FredJRI

My first ever grading order should be back in about a week from PSA (1 - 79 Topps W. Gretzky RC, 1 - 1986 Fleer M. Jordan RC and a MJ sticker. Sent them in at 39.99 each $500 declared value 20 days.... think it's going to cost me a 'little' bit more.

Good luck...let us know how the grades turn out to be.

REPLY: A perfect 8 , 4 + 4 ..lololol

bgr

@FredJRI said:

My first ever grading order should be back in about a week from PSA (1 - 79 Topps W. Gretzky RC, 1 - 1986 Fleer M. Jordan RC and a MJ sticker. Sent them in at 39.99 each $500 declared value 20 days.... think it's going to cost me a 'little' bit more.

Good luck...let us know how the grades turn out to be.

REPLY: A perfect 8 , 4 + 4 ..lololol

Pictures are better than no pictures.

FredJRI

@bgr said:

@FredJRI said:

My first ever grading order should be back in about a week from PSA (1 - 79 Topps W. Gretzky RC, 1 - 1986 Fleer M. Jordan RC and a MJ sticker. Sent them in at 39.99 each $500 declared value 20 days.... think it's going to cost me a 'little' bit more.

Good luck...let us know how the grades turn out to be.

REPLY: A perfect 8 , 4 + 4 ..lololol

Pictures are better than no pictures.

True

FredJRI

Both came back a PSA 4 , hence 4 =4 = * lololol

Really disappointed in the Jordan RC, thought it would have been a 6 maybe 7.