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There were 894 horse racing deaths in 2023

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I can't even fit the entire list on this first post, the horses name, the track he died at, the injury and cause of death. The list is just about the same for 2022. This isn't a sport, it's a slaughter. We've been lucky this year, "only" 78 so far.

Horses Killed on or at U.S. Tracks, 2023 (R: Racing; T: Training; S: S)

In My Heart, Jan 1, Los Alamitos R – “[multiple] fractures, [multiple] ruptures”

No Huddle, Jan 1, Sunland R – “fell, spinal cord injury”

Reads Codigo, Jan 1, Sunland R – “sesamoid fracture”

Awesome Charge, Jan 2, Charles Town T – “sesamoid fracture”

Legendary Lloyd, Jan 2, Meadows T – “injured, euthanized”

Spartak, Jan 3, Parx T – “injured, euthanized” (had been raced 42 times)

Captain Delightful, Jan 4, Meadows S – “illness, [found dead]”

A Little Bit, Jan 4, Parx R – “injured, vanned off, euthanized” (two years old, first race)

Off We Go, Jan 4, Turfway T – “horse pulled itself up, went down, and died” (four years old)

Last Gifted Eagle, Jan 5, Turf R – “[multiple] pelvic/vertebral fractures, bone exposed”

El Tigre Terrible, Jan 6, Oaklawn S – “horse found dead at 5 am – heart failure” (five years old)

Ma Coco, Jan 6, Tampa Bay R – “pulled up in distress, euthanized”

Firing Carol, Jan 7, Aqueduct R – “injured, vanned off, euthanized”

Spenny Denny, Jan 7, Charles Town T – “scapula fracture” (being prepped for debut)

Tap Union, Jan 7, Golden Gate S – “gastric rupture” (three years old)

Bo Derek, Jan 8, Gulfstream R – “went wrong, fell”

Big Future, Jan 8, Los Alamitos T – “catastrophic scapular fracture” (two years old)

Alsalam, Jan 9, Los Alamitos T – “musculoskeletal” (two years old)

Hard Timer, Jan 10, Parx S – “sudden death” (four years old)

Brick Alley, Jan 11, Charles Town S – “heart attack” (two years old)

Little O Little E, Jan 11, Charles Town R (euth Mar 21) – “bowed tendon”

Gentlemen’s Cry, Jan 11, Oaklawn T – “open, comminuted fracture” (being prepped for debut)

Bloodstockshalltab, Jan 12, Batavia R – “horse took a bad step”

Secretly Canadian, Jan 12, Keeneland T – “filly collapsed and expired on track” (three years old)

Time to Two Step, Jan 12, Parx T – “injured, euthanized”

Kat’s Hitman, Jan 12, Turf R – “[multiple] fractures, tendon tear, hemorrhage”
Cosmic Rewind, Jan 13, Charles Town R – “multiple fractures”

Emma’s Dance, Jan 14, Golden Gate S – “found dead early this morning – severe colitis”

Goldbar, Jan 14, Laurel T – “suspected thorax trauma”

Orbert, Jan 16, Parx T – “sudden death” (six years old)

Always and Again, Jan 17, NJ Training Center T – “suddenly pulled up, collapsed, and died”

Castleberry, Jan 18, Delta R – “[multiple] comminuted, displaced fractures”

Russian Cavalier, Jan 19, Hawthorne T – “bowed tendon, suspensory collapse”

Pop Pop Susi, Jan 20, Penn R – “went bad, vanned off, euthanized”

Press On, Jan 20, Santa Anita T – “[multiple] fractures, [multiple] ruptures”

Conundrum Queen, Jan 21, Turfway T – “[multiple] open [through skin], displaced fractures”

Rail Hugger, Jan 22, Turf S – “horse was found dead in its stall”

Mexican Wonder Boy, Jan 25, Delta R – “compound, comminuted, displaced fracture”

Feeling Well, Jan 25, Los Alamitos T – “catastrophic scapula fracture with severe hemorrhage”

Warrior’s Crown, Jan 25, Parx T – “injured, euthanized” (two years old)

Drama Diva, Jan 25, Turf S – “found dead in morning: multisystemic hemorrhage”

Graze Stone, Jan 25, Turf T – “blunt-force trauma…brain hemorrhage”

Garth Road, Jan 27, Aqueduct R – “injured, vanned off, euthanized”

Baseline Drive, Jan 27, Fonner T – “[multiple] fractures, euthanized”

Aerator, Jan 27, Turfway R – “[multiple] fractures, severe soft tissue damage”

Woodmere Skyroller, Jan 27, Yonkers S – “died in stall 18” (five years old)

Slow Down Summer, Jan 28, Aqueduct R – “vanned off in distress, euthanized”

Actuator, Jan 28, Santa Anita T – “sudden death following workout” (three years old)
This Famous Dream, Jan 28, Turf R –

“comminuted fractures, ligament rupture”
Class Proof, Jan 28, Turf R – “compound fracture…bone protruding”

Seeking Stardom, Jan 29, Gulfstream R – “pulled up, vanned off, [euthanized]”

Blank’s Hat Trick, Jan 29, Tampa Bay R – “pulled up in distress, [euthanized]”

Fast Talking Babe, Jan 30, Churchill T – “complete humerus fracture with severe tearing of muscles”

Natural Sonde, Feb 1, Charles Town T – “multiple fractures”

Sick Pack Sara, Feb 1, Penn T – “injured, euthanized”

Party Game, Feb 1, Santa Anita T – “[multiple] open [through skin], comminuted fractures”

Memory Taker, Feb 4, Sunland S – “chronic, progressive colic” (“bled, vanned off” Jan 8)

Golden Rachel, Feb 4, Turf R – “[multiple] spine fractures, cord severed”

Haloo, Feb 4, Turfway T – “contact with rail, significant blood coming from mouth from the trauma”

Hurrikane Mon Ami, Feb 4, Yonkers S – “died in stable area” (was raced two days prior)

Bullout, Feb 5, Laurel T – “foot turned in wrong direction: comminuted fracture” (two years old)

Master Ruler, Feb 5, Rillito R (euth Feb 12) – “severe pleuropneumonia with abscesses”

Little Rikki, Feb 6, Mahoning T – “rider heard loud noise and horse fell – shoulder [fracture]”

yet-to-be-named 2-year-old, Feb 7, San Luis Rey T – “[multiple] open [through skin] fractures”

Swamp Souffle, Feb 7, Turf S – “lame after race, severe laminitis, coffin bone rotation”
Caerulean, Feb 8, Santa Anita T – “severe exercise-associated pulmonary hemorrhage”

Mizhipzletus, Feb 8, Turf S – “sweating profusely, fever of 102, died several minutes later”

Celtic Cousen, Feb 10, Laurel T – “jockey heard a pop: [multiple] fractures”

The Trend Continue, Feb 10, Turf T – “trauma to head/brain” (three years old)

Caramelito, Feb 10, Turfway R – “severe, extensive tearing and rupture of tendon”
Merci Road, Feb 11, Charles Town R – “fell with a fatal injury”

Merit Song, Feb 11, Santa Anita R – “catastrophic fetlock breakdown” (two years old)

Decorated My Life, Feb 11, Santa Anita R – “[multiple] fractures and ruptures”
Flying to the Top, Feb 11, Sunland R – “fell, unable to rise”

Defend Yourself, Feb 12, Tampa Bay R – “pulled up, vanned off, [euthanized]”

Mia Casa, Feb 13, Los Alamitos S – “colitis, chronic ulcers, large numbers of tapeworms”

Pappy Wolfe, Feb 13, Oaklawn T – “[multiple] fractures” (two years old)

He’s a Candy Man, Feb 13, Turf R (euth Feb 20) – “[multiple] fractures”

See What (sic), Feb 14, Sunland T – “complete compound fracture”

Music City Dancer, Feb 15, Mahoning T – “displaced knee fracture during morning work”

Steele Horizon, Feb 16, Sam Houston T – “[multiple] fractures”

Lord Brownie, Feb 17, Belmont S – “progressive worsening of laminitis, euthanized”

Leroy Jenkins, Feb 17, Fair Grounds R – “[multiple] fractures”

My Last Bullet, Feb 17, Sunland R – “compound fractures [both front legs]”

Petit Verdot, Feb 17, Turfway R – “[multiple] comminuted fractures of scapula”

She’s a Black Belt, Feb 18, Aqueduct R – “injured foreleg, vanned off, euthanized”

Hunter’s Drive, Feb 18, Fair Grounds R – “[multiple] open fractures”

A Regal Cowgirl, Feb 18, Sunland R – “compound fetlock fracture”

Bones and Roses, Feb 19, Oaklawn T (euth Feb 23) – “pelvic injury, soft tissue hemorrhages”

Cash Rocket, Feb 19, Oaklawn R – “[multiple] fractures, flexor tendon completely ruptured”

Jelly Nougat, Feb 20, Aqueduct R – “suffered an injury…euthanized on the track”

Big Talker, Feb 20, Santa Anita R – “pulled up, collapsed, epistaxis, died spontaneously”

Crafty Jack, Feb 21, Parx R – “suffered catastrophic injury…euthanized”

Friendly Fella, Feb 22, Charles Town R – “pulled up with fatal injury”

Big Laugh, Feb 22, Golden Gate S – “found dead early this morning” (two years old)

Motown Supreme, Feb 22, Turfway S – “horse found dead this morning” (two years old)

Teche Solution, Feb 23, Delta R – “open, comminuted fracture” (two years old)

Auspicious Lad, Feb 23, Laurel T – “suddenly collapsed and died on the track” (three years old)

Spinish, Feb 24, Charles Town T – “condylar fracture”

King Tuff, Feb 24, Fair Grounds R – “went wrong”

Spy Valley, Feb 24, Sunland S – “body wall hernia” (one year old)

Cinnamack, Feb 25, Freehold R – “limb attached only by the skin and tendons”
Black Sambuca, Feb 25, Turf T – “fractured cannon” (three years old)

Amman, Feb 26, Aqueduct R – “sustained injury to RF, euthanized”

Iron Soul, Feb 26, Rillito R – “fell: fractured spine/pelvis”

Juana Gallo, Feb 26, Turf R – “[multiple] fractures: cannon, sesamoids, P1, P2”

Rap Star, Feb 27, Mahoning R – “suffered catastrophic injury, euthanized”

Ballesteros, Feb 28, Keeneland T – “staggered, collapsed, expired” (three years old)

Su Say Sashie, Feb 28, Keeneland T – “complete humerus fracture with tearing of surrounding muscles”

Sporty Sense (sic), Feb 28, Oaklawn T – “[multiple] complete, comminuted fractures”

Mucho, Mar, Oaklawn S – “colic” (last raced Feb 25)

Afternoon Anejo, Mar 1, Fair Grounds R – “LF fracture”

Mystical Image, Mar 1, Turf R – “fell: comminuted scapular fracture involving neck”

Starzan, Mar 1, Turf R – “fell over [above], landing on back: [multiple] vertebral fractures”

Miss Taken, Mar 2, Middleburg S – “severe infection in lungs” (two years old)

Bear Claw, Mar 2, Sunland T – “cardiac event, [sudden death]” (three years old)

Classical Ace, Mar 3, Fonner T – “compound fracture, euthanized”

Ultimate Diva, Mar 3, Golden Gate R – “[multiple] open fractures, ligament rupture”

Mp Flyingwrightbayou, Mar 3, Louisiana R – “open, comminuted fracture”

All the Best, Mar 4, Mahoning T – “hit pole, fractured stifle”

Turfy, Mar 4, Oaklawn T – “comminuted humerus fracture”

Esser Fund, Mar 4, Turfway T – “pulled up, became ataxic, collapsed, and expired”

Utterly Courageous, Mar 5, Laurel T (euth Mar 29) – “comminuted, displaced fracture; laminitis”

Whenudon’t Know, Mar 5, Rillito R – “fell: fractured shoulder”

Heza Valentine, Mar 6, Golden Gate S – “ataxic, flipped [multiple times], went down, euthanized”

Charlee’s Magic, Mar 7, Mahoning S – “horse found dead in stall at 6 am” (eight years old)
Ransier, Mar 7, Sunland T – “[multiple] fractures”

Lethal Pass, Mar 8, Louisiana R – “trauma [in gate], died” (was to be her very first race)
One Dashing Gallito, Mar 8, Turf S – “gastric rupture”

Funwhileitlasted, Mar 9, Belmont S – “euthanized in stall”

Lady Demaree, Mar 9, Oaklawn R – “[multiple] fractures, suspensory ligament ruptured”

Joy Enamorada, Mar 9, Turfway R – “[multiple] comminuted fractures, severe tissue damage”

Kulthum, Mar 10, Fonner R – “collapsed near rail; all membranes pale, not breathing – bled out”

Maxx Magic, Mar 10, Gulfstream R – “pulled up, vanned off, [euthanized]”

Sir Rex, Mar 10, Penn R – “went bad, fell, vanned off, euthanized”

Frosted Prayer, Mar 10, Remington T – “severe, acute, complete mandible [jaw] fracture”

Everything She Aint, Mar 10, Remington R – “numerous comminuted fractures, both front limbs”

Moro Dandy, Mar 10, Sam Houston R – “[multiple] fractures”

Peaceful Street, Mar 11, Oaklawn R (euth Mar 14) – “comminuted fracture”

Dreamboat, Mar 11, Oaklawn R – “collapsed and died past finish line” (two years old)
Same Ole Mo, Mar 12, Churchill T –
“comminuted shoulder fracture, extensive tearing of muscles”

Ec Redbones, Mar 12, Remington R – “[multiple] severe, acute ligament ruptures”

Wagon N Treasure, Mar 12, Remington R – “multiple vertebral fractures, disc rupture, cord compression”

Uncle Buff, Mar 12, Sam Houston R – “[multiple] complete, displaced fractures”

Cailin Diana, Mar 13, Los Alamitos T –
“epistaxis from both nostrils” (bled to death)
Brentford, Mar 13, Penn S – illness, [found
dead]” (two years old)

Miss Glorious, Mar 13, Turf T – “[multiple] fractures”

Em’s Winaholic, Mar 13, Turf R – “fractured shoulder”

Bourbon Runner, Mar 14, Keeneland S – “colic, unresponsive” (last raced in Sep)

Bank On Shea, Mar 16, Belmont S – “euthanized due to illness”

Shy Bella, Mar 16, Charles Town R – “fell…euthanized on the track”

Tap’s Lullaby, Mar 16, Fairmount T – “acute hemorrhage in lungs”

Bp Certified Wagon, Mar 17, Louisiana R – “skull/spine” (two years old, very first race)

Boat Over the Hill, Mar 17, Parx S –
“unknown, [found dead]”

Fort Defiance, Mar 17, Turfway R – “[multiple] fractures, [multiple] ruptures”

Chef Menteur, Mar 18, Gulfstream R – “suffered catastrophic injury, euthanized”

Lady Macho, Mar 18, Laurel R – “fell:
shattered pastern, profuse arterial bleeding”

De Train, Mar 18, Louisiana R – “open, severe disarticulation”

Strikewhileurhot, Mar 18, Sam Houston T (euth Mar 19) – “[multiple] fractures” (two years old)

Beverly Vista, Mar 18, Santa Anita R – “[multiple] fractures and ruptures”

Fyne N Dyne, Mar 18, Sunland R – “fractured shoulder”

Texas Red Pepper, Mar 18, Turfway T – “[broke both front legs]”

Akuna Matata, Mar 19, Sam Houston T – “fell, unable to stand, euthanized on track”

Manuka Bobby, Mar 20, Mahoning R – “suffered catastrophic injury…euthanized”

Trophy Chaser, Mar 20, Parx R – “injured leg during warm-up, vanned off, euthanized”

El Rafa Q, Mar 21, Sunland R – “fractured ankle”

Notario, Mar 21, Turfway T – “open fetlock with disarticulation and avulsion”

Xposed Secret, Mar 23, Charles Town R (euth Mar 24) – “condylar fracture”

Relenteless Grace, Mar 23, Retama T – “probable spinal fracture/dislocation” (she was just one)

Forth, Mar 25, Laurel R – “collapsed to the dirt, compound cannon fracture”

Saltwater Gypsy, Mar 25, Oaklawn R – “collapsed and died just past the finish” (two years old)

Stand Up Comic, Mar 25, Parx T – “illness, died” (three years old)

Vezpa, Mar 25, Turfway R – “fetlock open and disarticulated, ruptured ligaments, torn tendons”

Amongst Friends, Mar 26, Oaklawn T – “collapsed and died at six pole” (four years old)

Cumulus, Mar 26, Parx S – “illness, euthanized” (two years old)

Bellamundo, Mar 26, Sunland R – “fractured sesamoid”

Older Brother, Mar 26, Turf R – “[multiple] fractures”

Cut the Check, Mar 28, Belmont S – “euthanized for lung disease” (three years old)

Hexotique, Mar 28, Belmont S – “euthanized due to fracture” (not yet raced)

Baytown Apollo, Mar 29, Keeneland T – “horse went down – severely comminuted scapula”

Nicos Clave 7, Mar 29, Turf R – “severed spine” (two years old)

Fifty Two Pickup, Mar 31, Fonner R – “crashed into rail, bled-out both nostrils, died”

Zinny Mach N, Mar 31, Meadows S – “illness, [found dead]”

Ic A Free Spirit, Mar 31, NJ Training Center T – “catastrophic comminuted P1 fracture”

Wudda U Think Now, Apr, Belmont S – “colic, founder”

Hair of the Dog, Apr 1, Charles Town R – “fatal injury…euthanized on track”

Sweet Tea Red, Apr 1, Remington S – “thrashing in its stall prior to death”

Haveulostyourmind, Apr 1, Turf T – “hemorrhage, sudden death”

Bee Bop It, Apr 2, Charles Town T – “shoulder fracture” (being prepped for debut)

Karalinka, Apr 2, Fonner T – “slab fracture, tried to stabilize and make broodmare, unsuccessful”

Meetmeinkingston, Apr 2, Gulfstream R – “under distress…euthanized”

Hello Jamrock, Apr 2, Laurel R (euth Apr 11) – “hit hind end in gate, developed laminitis”

Autism Ability, Apr 2, Los Alamitos R – “fell in turn, bleeding from nose, died immediately”

Frenchboro, Apr 2, Parx S – “unknown, [found dead]”

W F Iron Maiden, Apr 2, Sunland R – “fractured ankle”

Cable Channel, Apr 3, Keeneland T – “multiple fractures, extensive soft tissue damage”

Corky’s Cause, Apr 3, Parx R – “injured, vanned off, euthanized”

Crb Bella, Apr 3, Sam Houston T – “slab fracture” (two years old, being prepped for debut)

Hesa Charmer, Apr 3, Tioga T – “expired while training”

Another Wine, Apr 3, Turf T – “[multiple] fractures” (three years old)

Hesa Blue Grass, Apr 3, Will Rogers T – “exsanguination [bled out], suspect aortic rupture”

Waites Kingdom, Apr 5, Mahoning R – “took a bad step…was euthanized”

Friend, Apr 5, Mahoning R – “horse fractured RF during race”

Midnight Vow, Apr 5, Santa Anita S – “appeared fine at 7 pm, found dead at 3:35 am” (three years old)

Taste of Texas (sic), Apr 6, Fonner T – “fell, shoulder fracture, euthanized”

One Fabulous Memory, Apr 6, Remington R – “numerous vertebral fractures with spinal cord rupture”

Lil Bit Relentless, Apr 6, Remington R – “acute, severe, complete carpal fracture; severe tooth fracture”

Talkingnonstop, Apr 7, Emerald S – “[multiple] skull fractures, significant intracranial hemorrhage”

Fancy Liquor, Apr 7, Keeneland R (euth days later) – “injured, surgery, euthanized”

Hot Lookin Eagle, Apr 7, Remington R – “severe, comminuted fractures [both knees]”

Maajaackkobe, Apr 7, Yonkers R – “broke his leg during the 5th race”

Practical Julia, Apr 8, Aqueduct R – “injured, vanned off, [euthanized]”

Montana’sbigsunset, Apr 8, Finger Lakes T – “sudden death” (four years old)

Lexcellent, Apr 8, Golden Gate S – “cardiac arrest post-surgery” (two years old)

Levity, Apr 8, Keeneland T – “pulled up 5/5 lame: comminuted fracture”

We Call Him Clyde, Apr 8, Laurel T – “comminuted pastern fracture, severe bleeding ulcer”

Notion Street, Apr 8, Laurel T – “multiple fractures”

Wildstarinthesky, Apr 8, Sunray R – “[multiple] fractures”

Gaslight, Apr 10, Belmont S – “euthanized due to cellulitis” (four years old)

Will Take Control, Apr 10, Parx S – “injured, died” (raced five days prior)

Explain, Apr 11, Parx T – “sudden death” (five years old)

Captain Dashi, Apr 11, Turf R – “collapsed, bleeding from both nostrils, died”

Ready At Two, Apr 11, Will Rogers T – “complete, comminuted skull fractures”

Thousand Island, Apr 12, Belmont S – “euthanized after examination” (unraced)

Blue Paynt, Apr 12, Belmont T – “fracture, transported to barn, euthanized”

Bali’s Back, Apr 13, Fairmount S – “hemorrhagic gastro-colonopathy with melena”

Goin to the Show, Apr 13, Keeneland R – “[multiple] fractures, severe soft tissue damage”

Semi Charmed Life, Apr 14, Evangeline R – “[multiple] fractures, suspensory rupture”

Twinkling Irish, Apr 14, Oaklawn R (euth Apr 28) – “open, comminuted fracture [reinjured]”

Kiss Me D Oro, Apr 15, Lone Star R – “[multiple] fractures, euthanized on track”

Rip Wheeler, Apr 15, Remington R – “collapse [in gate], may be related to severe stress”

Jlc Hey Good Lookin, Apr 15, Retama T – “slab fracture” (two years old, being prepped for debut)

Singing the Oldies, Apr 16, Gulfstream R – “fell…euthanized”

Franco’s Team, Apr 17, Keeneland T – “collapsed on the gallop out: exercise-associated sudden death”

Major Attraction, Apr 17, Turf S – “arthritis” (seven years old, last raced Feb 26)

Jammin Jimtown, Apr 18, Charles Town T – “condylar fracture”

Witty Banter, Apr 18, Laurel T – “rider heard loud pop: multiple fractures”

Master of the Ring, Apr 19, Keeneland R – “fell: [multiple] comminuted fractures and tears”

Rileys Dude, Apr 19, Penn R – “went bad, vanned off, euthanized”

Golden Pegasus, Apr 20, Laurel R – “multiple fractures, tremendous soft tissue damage”

Bigmancan, Apr 20, Laurel R – “comminuted, displaced fracture”

Tuffazznailz, Apr 20, Remington R – “[multiple] complete, traumatic fractures”

Mia Testarossa, Apr 20, Thistledown T – “horse broke leg during morning gallop”

Shower Time, Apr 21, Penn S – “unknown, euthanized”

Falcon Heavy, Apr 22, Fonner R – “fell, compound fracture, euthanized”

Strong Silent, Apr 22, Gulfstream R – “tried to jump fallen foe…euthanized”

Lionessofbrittany, Apr 22, Gulfstream R – “fell…euthanized”

Beckett’s Luckyday, Apr 23, Remington S – “acute death: severe mesenteric torsion”

The Mastersmith, Apr 23, Remington R – “complete fracture through the fused sacral vertebrae”

Wolfe County, Apr 26, Keeneland R – “[multiple] fractures, [multiple] ruptures”

Unkoalafied, Apr 26, Parx T – “sudden death” (four years old)

Tosh, Apr 26, Will Rogers R – “multiple comminuted fractures, pulmonary hemorrhage”

Wild On Ice, Apr 27, Churchill T – ” [multiple] severe, comminuted fractures”

Fast N Fancee, Apr 27, Remington R – “numerous complete, comminuted fractures”

Edge of Night, Apr 27, Thistledown R (euth several days later) – “serious limb injury”

Perceived, Apr 28, Aqueduct R – “injured after finish, euthanized on track”

Electrify, Apr 28, Cumberland R – “horse died racing – broken leg”

Crest Drive, Apr 28, Emerald S – “acute laminitis with rotation”

Blue, Apr 28, Remington S – “likely septic shock”

Code of Kings, Apr 29, Churchill R (euth Apr 30) – “flipped multiple times, broke neck”

Parents Pride, Apr 29, Churchill R – “horse pulled up, went down, became agonal, died” (four years old)

Mister Tsunami, Apr 29, Delta R – “acute open fracture” (two years old)

Pretty Gita, Apr 29, Fairmount R – “fetlock fracture”

Speed Alert, Apr 29, Foxfield R – “[multiple] fractures, [multiple] ruptures”

Crazy Dreams, Apr 29, Golden Gate R – “[multiple] fractures, [multiple] ruptures”

American Boy N, Apr 29, Monticello S – “discovered with comminuted fracture in stall”

First Empress, Apr 29, Oaklawn R – “collapsed at 3/16 pole – open cannon fracture”

Flash of Mischief, Apr 30, Lone Star R – “[multiple] fractures”

Mamzooj, Apr 30, Oaklawn R – “[multiple] fractures – euthanized in ambulance”

C C the Bartender, May 1, Will Rogers R – “[multiple] severe fractures, partially ruptured ligaments”

Take Charge Briana, May 2, Churchill R – “[multiple] fractures, fetlock open and disarticulated”

Chasing Artie, May 2, Churchill R – “horse staggered, collapsed, became agonal, [died]”

Kadens Courage, May 2, Parx R – “fell, catastrophic injury, euthanized”

Blue Agave, May 2, Thistledown R (euth May 3) – “horse became lame cooling out – fractured ankle”

Nightmare Moon, May 4, Belmont S – “pleuropneumonia” (two years old)

Flyin Jewel, May 4, Delta R – “severe compound fracture” (two years old)

Freudian Fate, May 4, Oaklawn R – “[multiple] fractures”

Sunshine Linda, May 4, Penn T – “injured, euthanized”

An Agent Mistake, May 4, Santa Anita S – “ruptured cecum, severe peritonitis”

A Pollitical Duke, May 5, Ruidoso S – “joint infection” (two years old, being prepped for first race)

Big Valentina, May 6, Charles Town T – “femur fracture” (being prepped for debut)

Chloe’s Dream, May 6, Churchill R – “went wrong: multiple fractures”

Freezing Point, May 6, Churchill R – “[multiple] fractures, [multiple] tendons severely torn”

Tapwood, May 6, Great Meadow R – “fell, became wobbly, collapsed and died” (five years old)

A Vision to Dash, May 6, Miles City R – “fell, fractured shoulder, hauled home and euthanized”

Fire and Spice, May 7, Hawthorne T – “compound fracture, disarticulated fetlock”

Predetermination, May 7, Santa Cruz R – “broke down after wire: fractured cannon”

Mon Paradis, May 9, Mountaineer R – “[multiple] fractures, rupture”

Beav’s Boo, May 9, Thistledown R – “horse fractured ankle at 5/8 pole”

Rocket’s Castle, May 11, Charles Town R (euth May 12) – “carpus fracture”

Morethananyone, May 11, Keeneland T – “[multiple] comminuted fractures, marked soft tissue damage”

Singsong Bird, May 12, Belterra R – “fracture was open, exposing fetlock joint”

Charm City Band, May 12, Charles Town T (euth May 17) – “carpus fracture”

Old West Princess, May 12, Delaware S – “leg caught in door, lacerated tendons”

Inthe Twinkle of Ani, May 12, Remington R – “hit the rail: severe, comminuted humerus fracture”

Pearl Hart, May 12, Remington R – “[multiple] severe, complete, comminuted fractures”

Reed Kan, May 13, Belmont R – “injured, vanned off, euthanized”

Bosque Redondo, May 13, Churchill R (euth May 15) – “[multiple] fractures, multiple fragments”

Magic Knight, May 13, Delta R – “open fracture”

Make Sure Its Cold, May 13, Meadows T – “injured, euthanized”

Dashin Woman, May 13, Remington R – “severe, acute slab fractures with innumerable chip fractures”

Donna’s Mischief, May 14, Arapahoe T – “traumatic event, died spontaneously”

Rio Moon, May 14, Churchill R – “open fracture, fragments imbedded in the ligament”

Gatto Marrone, May 14, Mountaineer R – “collapsed, died: pulmonary hemorrhage”

Another Nymph, May 14, Remington R – “severe, acute, complete, comminuted fractures”

Smile for Glory, May 14, Santa Anita S – “acute ulcerative colitis, rapid deterioration”

Runaway Cowgirl 123, May 15, Remington R – “[two broken legs]” (two years old)

All Da Kings Men, May 15, Ruidoso T – “fractured shoulder”

Mattfoleyvanman, May 15, Will Rogers R – “comminuted fracture, fetlock bent at almost 90-degree angle”

You Sexy Boy, May 16, Will Rogers R – “complete transection of [multiple] tendons”

Major General, May 17, Churchill T – “came back lethargic and trembling, died in transit to hospital”

Distractandattack, May 17, Parx R – “injured, vanned off, euthanized”

Good Culture, May 17, Parx R – “suffered catastrophic injury…euthanized”

Dash for Bling, May 18, Remington R – “both kidneys: severe, acute hemorrhages with rupture”

College Kid, May 19, Charles Town R (euth Sep 25) – “limped to wire – slab fracture”

Editor in Chief, May 19, Prairie T – “[multiple] fractures”

Swanson Lake, May 20, Churchill R – “multiple [at least 4] fractures within fetlock joint”

Havnameltdown, May 20, Pimlico R – “open, disarticulated fetlock; severe tendon damage”

Magic Lemons, May 21, Belterra S – “suspected complete small colon obstruction”

Carolina Mia, May 21, Golden Gate R – “[multiple] open, comminuted fractures”

Honor Our Fallen, May 21, Santa Anita S – “post-operative evisceration” (two years old)

Champagne Dynasty, May 22, Ruidoso T – “pulmonary hemorrhage, endotoxic shock” (two years old)

Bustin Lulu, May 23, Belmont S (was raced just three days prior)

Arneis, May 23, Fairmount R – “catastrophic failure of suspensory apparatus”

Imagine Gold, May 23, Hawthorne T – “carpus injury, intractable pain”

Enchantedly, May 23, Horseshoe R – “[multiple] fractures, suspensory failure”

Delaware River, May 23, Laurel S – “multiple pastern fractures”

J J’s Mr. Raven, May 24, Ellis S – “severe colic with unmanageable pain” (two years old)

Acasha’s Intuition, May 25, Charles Town R – “MCIII fracture”

Time to Flash, May 25, Remington T – “[multiple] comminuted vertebral fractures”

Impazible Donna, May 26, Belmont R (euth Jun 2) – “injured, vanned off, pneumonia”

Lost in Limbo, May 26, Churchill R – “fell violently: [multiple] fractures, [multiple] ruptures”

Andy Worhoss, May 26, Prairie R – “[fractured] pastern” (very first race)

Kaon, May 26, Saratoga S – “euthanized [undisclosed reason]” (was trained May 6)

Troubling Moon, May 27, Belmont T – “suffered sudden cardiac death event”

Kimberley Dream, May 27, Churchill R – “avulsion fracture, [multiple] ruptures, severe tearing”

Cool Hot Chic, May 27, Evangeline R – “[multiple] open, displaced fractures”

Coconut Beach, May 27, Monmouth T – “pulmonary hemorrhage, copious amounts of blood”

Carmelita Cash, May 27, Remington R – “fetlock is completely avulsed, exposing the cannon”

Battle Station, May 28, Belmont T – “injured, euthanized”

Ivory Senator, May 28, Ruidoso R – “down immediately post-race”

Mach West, May 28, Tioga R – “collapsed and deemed expired”

Blingonmercury, May 29, Lone Star S – “left hock septic arthritis with colitis of five-day duration”

Aj Big Red, May 29, Ruidoso S – “died” (two years old, being prepped for first race)

Gym N Jam, May 29, Ruidoso R – “[fatally injured] in gate” (same race as below)

Mahomes, May 29, Ruidoso R – “3/5 lame, euthanized”

Lady Kvn, May 30, Horseshoe R – “vertebral fracture, spinal cord tear” (first ever race)

Aisle Runner, May 30, Ruidoso S – “ruptured bowel, septic peritonitis” (last raced May 6)

Three Sport Coats, May 31, Delaware R – “knee fracture”

Cascade Spirit, May 31, Emerald T – “acute, complete, comminuted condylar fracture”

Chaysenbryn, Jun 1, Belmont R – “suffered an injury…euthanized on track”

Valtrata, Jun 1, Remington R – “[multiple] severe, acute fractures”

Tres Crystals, Jun 1, Remington R – “[multiple] fractures – both forelimbs; fetlocks avulsed”

One Night Mike, Jun 2, Charles Town T – “pastern fracture”

Eye Poppin Trip, Jun 2, Hoosier S – “necrotizing enteritis, rupture”

Seperate Call, Jun 2, Remington S – “agonal death, cause unknown” (two years old)

Patriotic Uper, Jun 2, Ruidoso R – “fell, vanned off, euthanized” (two years old, first race)

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,715 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 6, 2024 5:28AM

    ummm, this is completely insane. all for sport? seems wrong to me.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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    doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 23,247 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:
    ummm, this is completely insane. all for sport? seems wrong to me.

    It is insane, but these degenerate gamblers must have their fix.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I cant believe this sort of thing has not been shut down already. remember how nuts people went over the MIchael Vick dog fighting ring? different "game" but same result with horse racing it seems. perhaps one of the major media outlets needs to latch ahold of this.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,680 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The opening post has to be the longest on record for CU Sports Talk 😮

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    4Boston4Boston Posts: 318 ✭✭✭
    edited May 6, 2024 5:56AM

    @craig44 said:
    I cant believe this sort of thing has not been shut down already. remember how nuts people went over the MIchael Vick dog fighting ring? different "game" but same result with horse racing it seems. perhaps one of the major media outlets needs to latch ahold of this.

    More people have been injured or died in sports around the world then horses.
    Horse racing is like cycling. A very dangerous sport.
    Racing horses 🐎 have little fear. They love to race. Many proud horse champions would scoff at the notion of shutting down something horses love to do.

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    stevekstevek Posts: 28,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    The opening post has to be the longest on record for CU Sports Talk 😮

    The list of Dallas Cowboys championships in the 21st century is much shorter. 😉

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    doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 23,247 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 6, 2024 11:32AM

    @4Boston said:

    @craig44 said:
    I cant believe this sort of thing has not been shut down already. remember how nuts people went over the MIchael Vick dog fighting ring? different "game" but same result with horse racing it seems. perhaps one of the major media outlets needs to latch ahold of this.

    More people have been injured or died in sports around the world then horses.
    Horse racing is like cycling. A very dangerous sport.
    Horses have no fear. They love to race. Many proud horse champions would scoff at the notion of shutting down something horses love to do.

    You're so full of crap @4Boston, @Goldenage, @4for4, @Hidhoe, @Applejacks. Horses running in the wild is not the same thing as having someone on your back, beating you with a whip to make you run as hard as you can, until your legs can no longer with stand the pressure. Yeah, I'm sure Eight Belles really loved it when both of her front ankles snapped and she had to be put down.

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    Alfonz24Alfonz24 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    The opening post has to be the longest on record for CU Sports Talk 😮

    The only one longer would be MLB injuries to date.

    #LetsGoSwitzerlandThe Man Who Does Not Read Has No Advantage Over the Man Who Cannot Read. The biggest obstacle to progress is a habit of “buying what we want and begging for what we need.”You get the Freedom you fight for and get the Oppression you deserve.
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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @4Boston said:

    @craig44 said:
    I cant believe this sort of thing has not been shut down already. remember how nuts people went over the MIchael Vick dog fighting ring? different "game" but same result with horse racing it seems. perhaps one of the major media outlets needs to latch ahold of this.

    More people have been injured or died in sports around the world then horses.
    Horse racing is like cycling. A very dangerous sport.
    Racing horses 🐎 have little fear. They love to race. Many proud horse champions would scoff at the notion of shutting down something horses love to do.

    And how in the world would you know that? do you "speak horse?"

    did 894 people die playing professional sports last year?

    And no, horses, or any other animal do not have the "choice" to compete. they are forced to compete. that is inarguable.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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    stevekstevek Posts: 28,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't disagree with the premise of protecting horses. However the fact is that life can be cruel in virtually all walks of life. In sports, most sports have suffered human deaths either while playing or practicing. I think in another thread awhile back, you posted that you enjoy mountain climbing. The list of mountain climbing deaths is endless. I don't think that mountain climbing should be banned.

    Believe it or not, one of the most dangerous professions in the world is fishing. I'd be sure in sports fishing, that drowning, etc, has occurred a large number of times.

    Suffice to say that overall, thoroughbreds enjoy a pretty good life, and if it wasn't for breeding, they wouldn't have had a life, they would have never been born.

    BTW, infinitely crueler is what occurs to animals in the wild with death. It's not from a humane needle injection. It's from being eaten alive which is probably how most herbivores meet their demise.

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    bgrbgr Posts: 541 ✭✭✭

    It’s a pretty terrible sport. There is no doubt.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stevek said:
    I don't disagree with the premise of protecting horses. However the fact is that life can be cruel in virtually all walks of life. In sports, most sports have suffered human deaths either while playing or practicing. I think in another thread awhile back, you posted that you enjoy mountain climbing. The list of mountain climbing deaths is endless. I don't think that mountain climbing should be banned.

    Believe it or not, one of the most dangerous professions in the world is fishing. I'd be sure in sports fishing, that drowning, etc, has occurred a large number of times.

    Suffice to say that overall, thoroughbreds enjoy a pretty good life, and if it wasn't for breeding, they wouldn't have had a life, they would have never been born.

    BTW, infinitely crueler is what occurs to animals in the wild with death. It's not from a humane needle injection. It's from being eaten alive which is probably how most herbivores meet their demise.

    Steve, to me the difference is one of free will and choice. none of those animals had a say in the matter. they are literally produced for nothing other than sport. I had no idea so many are killed in the process. 894 in one year seems pretty excessive to me.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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    bgrbgr Posts: 541 ✭✭✭

    This isn’t comparable to natural selection. I actually don’t think there is a solution to maintain this sport that would be feasible.

    I was blown away by what I learned.

    The specific traits bred in these horses cause danger. Large torsos and thin legs.

    Then it’s the drugs given. Not just to aide healing but to keep them racing. The anti inflammatories, antibiotics, pain killers, steroids. I guess glue isn’t a drug but it keeps them on the track.

    Solve that and you have to reconcile the fact that the horses are run too young. And this isn’t an argument about their relative age to humans. This has to do with their skeletal development. Their bodies are not adequately developed for the rigors of racing.

    I always knew horse racing was somewhat of a vile sport but I had no idea the depth. I really thought that the danger to the horses was related to bad trainers and bad owners using stimulants which increased cardiovascular risk. I had no idea how perverse it was. I would encourage anyone on the fence to review themselves.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ^^^^ I had no idea that any of that goes on. pretty terrible. hard to believe with how society is today that it is allowed to continue.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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    4Boston4Boston Posts: 318 ✭✭✭
    edited May 6, 2024 9:08AM

    @doubledragon said:

    @4Boston said:

    @craig44 said:
    I cant believe this sort of thing has not been shut down already. remember how nuts people went over the MIchael Vick dog fighting ring? different "game" but same result with horse racing it seems. perhaps one of the major media outlets needs to latch ahold of this.

    More people have been injured or died in sports around the world then horses.
    Horse racing is like cycling. A very dangerous sport.
    Horses have no fear. They love to race. Many proud horse champions would scoff at the notion of shutting down something horses love to do.

    You're so full of crap @4Boston, @Goldenage, @4for4, @Hidhoe, @Applejacks. Horses running in the wild is not the same thing as having someone on your back, beating you with a whip to make you run as hard as you can, until your legs can no longer with stand the pressure. Yeah, I'm sure Eight Belles really loved it when both of her front ankles snapped and she had to be put down.

    Settle down pal.
    Please learn to discuss issues without berating others.

    More horses are caught and eaten in the wilderness then die on a racetrack.

    These are the facts.

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    4Boston4Boston Posts: 318 ✭✭✭
    edited May 6, 2024 9:13AM

    @craig44 said:

    @stevek said:
    I don't disagree with the premise of protecting horses. However the fact is that life can be cruel in virtually all walks of life. In sports, most sports have suffered human deaths either while playing or practicing. I think in another thread awhile back, you posted that you enjoy mountain climbing. The list of mountain climbing deaths is endless. I don't think that mountain climbing should be banned.

    Believe it or not, one of the most dangerous professions in the world is fishing. I'd be sure in sports fishing, that drowning, etc, has occurred a large number of times.

    Suffice to say that overall, thoroughbreds enjoy a pretty good life, and if it wasn't for breeding, they wouldn't have had a life, they would have never been born.

    BTW, infinitely crueler is what occurs to animals in the wild with death. It's not from a humane needle injection. It's from being eaten alive which is probably how most herbivores meet their demise.

    Steve, to me the difference is one of free will and choice. none of those animals had a say in the matter. they are literally produced for nothing other than sport. I had no idea so many are killed in the process. 894 in one year seems pretty excessive to me.

    Would you rather they be shipped to Japan where they are a delicacy ?

    Hundreds of thousands have been killed there.

    Which is better ?

    We don’t need horses anymore.
    Just the police, Amish, and ranchers do.

    It’s a tough sport that I don’t like, but if you gave a horse a choice to race or be eaten in Asia which do you think he’d choose?

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    pdoidoipdoidoi Posts: 518 ✭✭✭

    @4Boston said:

    @craig44 said:

    @stevek said:
    I don't disagree with the premise of protecting horses. However the fact is that life can be cruel in virtually all walks of life. In sports, most sports have suffered human deaths either while playing or practicing. I think in another thread awhile back, you posted that you enjoy mountain climbing. The list of mountain climbing deaths is endless. I don't think that mountain climbing should be banned.

    Believe it or not, one of the most dangerous professions in the world is fishing. I'd be sure in sports fishing, that drowning, etc, has occurred a large number of times.

    Suffice to say that overall, thoroughbreds enjoy a pretty good life, and if it wasn't for breeding, they wouldn't have had a life, they would have never been born.

    BTW, infinitely crueler is what occurs to animals in the wild with death. It's not from a humane needle injection. It's from being eaten alive which is probably how most herbivores meet their demise.

    Steve, to me the difference is one of free will and choice. none of those animals had a say in the matter. they are literally produced for nothing other than sport. I had no idea so many are killed in the process. 894 in one year seems pretty excessive to me.

    Would you rather they be shipped to Japan where they are a delicacy ?

    Hundreds of thousands have been killed there.

    Which is better ?

    We don’t need horses anymore.
    Just the police, Amish, and ranchers do.

    It’s a tough sport that I don’t like, but if you gave a horse a choice to race or be eaten in Asia which do you think he’d choose?

    If you gave them a choice I think they would like to be free in the wild.

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    4Boston4Boston Posts: 318 ✭✭✭

    @pdoidoi said:

    @4Boston said:

    @craig44 said:

    @stevek said:
    I don't disagree with the premise of protecting horses. However the fact is that life can be cruel in virtually all walks of life. In sports, most sports have suffered human deaths either while playing or practicing. I think in another thread awhile back, you posted that you enjoy mountain climbing. The list of mountain climbing deaths is endless. I don't think that mountain climbing should be banned.

    Believe it or not, one of the most dangerous professions in the world is fishing. I'd be sure in sports fishing, that drowning, etc, has occurred a large number of times.

    Suffice to say that overall, thoroughbreds enjoy a pretty good life, and if it wasn't for breeding, they wouldn't have had a life, they would have never been born.

    BTW, infinitely crueler is what occurs to animals in the wild with death. It's not from a humane needle injection. It's from being eaten alive which is probably how most herbivores meet their demise.

    Steve, to me the difference is one of free will and choice. none of those animals had a say in the matter. they are literally produced for nothing other than sport. I had no idea so many are killed in the process. 894 in one year seems pretty excessive to me.

    Would you rather they be shipped to Japan where they are a delicacy ?

    Hundreds of thousands have been killed there.

    Which is better ?

    We don’t need horses anymore.
    Just the police, Amish, and ranchers do.

    It’s a tough sport that I don’t like, but if you gave a horse a choice to race or be eaten in Asia which do you think he’d choose?

    If you gave them a choice I think they would like to be free in the wild.

    Where they have no access to medicines and vets, and are prone to predators ?

    You go live in the wild with no doctors and fight for your food instead of being hand fed and loved. Lmk your opinion after you experience that.

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    Alfonz24Alfonz24 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭✭✭

    would you consider this somewhat similar to Michael Vick and dog fighting?

    Many horses in my area are family pets and and are made for riding. It is where my neighbor takes his autistic son to do to help relax him.

    #LetsGoSwitzerlandThe Man Who Does Not Read Has No Advantage Over the Man Who Cannot Read. The biggest obstacle to progress is a habit of “buying what we want and begging for what we need.”You get the Freedom you fight for and get the Oppression you deserve.
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    stevekstevek Posts: 28,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bgr said:
    This isn’t comparable to natural selection. I actually don’t think there is a solution to maintain this sport that would be feasible.

    I was blown away by what I learned.

    The specific traits bred in these horses cause danger. Large torsos and thin legs.

    Then it’s the drugs given. Not just to aide healing but to keep them racing. The anti inflammatories, antibiotics, pain killers, steroids. I guess glue isn’t a drug but it keeps them on the track.

    Solve that and you have to reconcile the fact that the horses are run too young. And this isn’t an argument about their relative age to humans. This has to do with their skeletal development. Their bodies are not adequately developed for the rigors of racing.

    I always knew horse racing was somewhat of a vile sport but I had no idea the depth. I really thought that the danger to the horses was related to bad trainers and bad owners using stimulants which increased cardiovascular risk. I had no idea how perverse it was. I would encourage anyone on the fence to review themselves.

    Yep, the fact is that thoroughbreds are born for one reason and one reason only. For humans to make money on them.

    i've sort of implied this before, and I know it sounds funny, but if a race horse could be given a choice of not being born or taking the abuse you noted, I'd say 100% they would say they'd like to be born.

    As far as the whipping, another point which I realize won't change your mind. Doing some quick inexact math, say a thoroughbreds career is 25 races. During a race, they rarely get whipped except for around the last say 20 seconds of the race. I've read where thoroughbreds in their first race, it's usually the first time they feel the whip. I don't think in general with thoroughbreds, the whip is used in training, but I may be incorrect about that. I think with show horses, etc, the whip has to be used to train them. Perhaps in standardbreds as well to get them to pace or trot in the proper gait.

    So with a thoroughbred, take the 25 races, times the 20 seconds, and that equals around 9 minutes of whipping time. In exchange for being born, and during their lifetimes being fed, housed, groomed, etc, with the best of care simply because they are very valuable animals. I think every thoroughbred alive and that ever lived would gladly take that deal.

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    doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 23,247 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @4Boston said:

    @doubledragon said:

    @4Boston said:

    @craig44 said:
    I cant believe this sort of thing has not been shut down already. remember how nuts people went over the MIchael Vick dog fighting ring? different "game" but same result with horse racing it seems. perhaps one of the major media outlets needs to latch ahold of this.

    More people have been injured or died in sports around the world then horses.
    Horse racing is like cycling. A very dangerous sport.
    Horses have no fear. They love to race. Many proud horse champions would scoff at the notion of shutting down something horses love to do.

    You're so full of crap @4Boston, @Goldenage, @4for4, @Hidhoe, @Applejacks. Horses running in the wild is not the same thing as having someone on your back, beating you with a whip to make you run as hard as you can, until your legs can no longer with stand the pressure. Yeah, I'm sure Eight Belles really loved it when both of her front ankles snapped and she had to be put down.

    Settle down pal.
    Please learn to discuss issues without berating others.

    More horses are caught and eaten in the wilderness then die on a racetrack.

    These are the facts.

    This from a guy with what, Five or Six different accounts? You seem to enjoy showing up, starting crap with people, and then disappearing and returning with another identity. I think galaxy is right, you just want to create as much mayhem as possible on this forum.

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    4Boston4Boston Posts: 318 ✭✭✭

    @doubledragon said:

    @4Boston said:

    @doubledragon said:

    @4Boston said:

    @craig44 said:
    I cant believe this sort of thing has not been shut down already. remember how nuts people went over the MIchael Vick dog fighting ring? different "game" but same result with horse racing it seems. perhaps one of the major media outlets needs to latch ahold of this.

    More people have been injured or died in sports around the world then horses.
    Horse racing is like cycling. A very dangerous sport.
    Horses have no fear. They love to race. Many proud horse champions would scoff at the notion of shutting down something horses love to do.

    You're so full of crap @4Boston, @Goldenage, @4for4, @Hidhoe, @Applejacks. Horses running in the wild is not the same thing as having someone on your back, beating you with a whip to make you run as hard as you can, until your legs can no longer with stand the pressure. Yeah, I'm sure Eight Belles really loved it when both of her front ankles snapped and she had to be put down.

    Settle down pal.
    Please learn to discuss issues without berating others.

    More horses are caught and eaten in the wilderness then die on a racetrack.

    These are the facts.

    This from a guy with what, Five or Six different accounts? You seem to enjoy showing up, starting crap with people, and then disappearing and returning with another identity. I think galaxy is right, you just want to create as much mayhem as possible on this forum.

    Lol. Me switching names is simply something I enjoy doing. Lol
    I’ll switch again soon too. It’s everyone’s choice. Don’t judge it incorrectly like you are.

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    4Boston4Boston Posts: 318 ✭✭✭
    edited May 6, 2024 9:37AM

    I coached Bob Kulinas son Joel in high school ice hockey. I was over his house and at his track.

    I was good friends with Kevin Reynolds for years.

    These are quality people who love the industry. Salt of the earth guys.
    Many horse loving people in horse racing.

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    doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 23,247 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @4Boston said:
    I coached Bob Kulinas son Joel in high school ice hockey. I was over his house and at his track.

    I was good friends with Kevin Reynolds for years.

    These are quality people who love the industry. Salt of the earth guys.
    Many of them in horse racing.

    Oh, if Bob and Joel say it's ok then it must be. You know what, I honestly can't stand you, steer clear of me.

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    stevekstevek Posts: 28,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @4Boston said:

    @pdoidoi said:

    @4Boston said:

    @craig44 said:

    @stevek said:
    I don't disagree with the premise of protecting horses. However the fact is that life can be cruel in virtually all walks of life. In sports, most sports have suffered human deaths either while playing or practicing. I think in another thread awhile back, you posted that you enjoy mountain climbing. The list of mountain climbing deaths is endless. I don't think that mountain climbing should be banned.

    Believe it or not, one of the most dangerous professions in the world is fishing. I'd be sure in sports fishing, that drowning, etc, has occurred a large number of times.

    Suffice to say that overall, thoroughbreds enjoy a pretty good life, and if it wasn't for breeding, they wouldn't have had a life, they would have never been born.

    BTW, infinitely crueler is what occurs to animals in the wild with death. It's not from a humane needle injection. It's from being eaten alive which is probably how most herbivores meet their demise.

    Steve, to me the difference is one of free will and choice. none of those animals had a say in the matter. they are literally produced for nothing other than sport. I had no idea so many are killed in the process. 894 in one year seems pretty excessive to me.

    Would you rather they be shipped to Japan where they are a delicacy ?

    Hundreds of thousands have been killed there.

    Which is better ?

    We don’t need horses anymore.
    Just the police, Amish, and ranchers do.

    It’s a tough sport that I don’t like, but if you gave a horse a choice to race or be eaten in Asia which do you think he’d choose?

    If you gave them a choice I think they would like to be free in the wild.

    Where they have no access to medicines and vets, and are prone to predators ?

    You go live in the wild with no doctors and fight for your food instead of being hand fed and loved. Lmk your opinion after you experience that.

    @4Boston said:

    @pdoidoi said:

    @4Boston said:

    @craig44 said:

    @stevek said:
    I don't disagree with the premise of protecting horses. However the fact is that life can be cruel in virtually all walks of life. In sports, most sports have suffered human deaths either while playing or practicing. I think in another thread awhile back, you posted that you enjoy mountain climbing. The list of mountain climbing deaths is endless. I don't think that mountain climbing should be banned.

    Believe it or not, one of the most dangerous professions in the world is fishing. I'd be sure in sports fishing, that drowning, etc, has occurred a large number of times.

    Suffice to say that overall, thoroughbreds enjoy a pretty good life, and if it wasn't for breeding, they wouldn't have had a life, they would have never been born.

    BTW, infinitely crueler is what occurs to animals in the wild with death. It's not from a humane needle injection. It's from being eaten alive which is probably how most herbivores meet their demise.

    Steve, to me the difference is one of free will and choice. none of those animals had a say in the matter. they are literally produced for nothing other than sport. I had no idea so many are killed in the process. 894 in one year seems pretty excessive to me.

    Would you rather they be shipped to Japan where they are a delicacy ?

    Hundreds of thousands have been killed there.

    Which is better ?

    We don’t need horses anymore.
    Just the police, Amish, and ranchers do.

    It’s a tough sport that I don’t like, but if you gave a horse a choice to race or be eaten in Asia which do you think he’d choose?

    If you gave them a choice I think they would like to be free in the wild.

    Where they have no access to medicines and vets, and are prone to predators ?

    You go live in the wild with no doctors and fight for your food instead of being hand fed and loved. Lmk your opinion after you experience that.

    Boston you make some good points. Horses in the wild versus a thoroughbred cared for by humans. I guess wild horses get used to it, but the fact is 24/7 they are in awareness or fear, depending on the area of the world, of getting eaten alive by a large member of the cat family or some other large predator, pack of wolves, wild dogs, etc. I've seen videos on Youtube of grizzly bears chasing mooses, and it didn't seem like the moose was having too much fun.

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    doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 23,247 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is a story of a woman that rescued a racehorse.

    Do horses like racing? This one sure didn't.

    Thoroughbred horse didn't like racing. He hates running and was hurt on the racetrack, but he has great potential as a companion and riding partner.

    By CHRISTELLE L. DEL PRETE
    September 13, 2019

    Two things happened the day Morry went down on the racetrack and didn’t get up right away. First, his life was almost ended right there and then since he apparently wasn’t cut out to be a racehorse. Second, a kind person saw that his life mattered — even if it wouldn’t be spent running on the track. She couldn’t bear to see a horse put down, just because he didn’t want to run. So, Morry was saved.

    The young thoroughbred later came to Horse Haven, a peaceful residence for horses at Best Friends Animal Sanctuary. At two-and-a-half years old, Morry wasn’t going to be a racehorse, but he still had great potential as a companion horse and riding partner; however, Horse Haven caregivers and trainers weren’t quite ready to slap a saddle on him.

    Recovery after horse racing
    Morry needed veterinary care for a wound on his leg, along with a good feeding schedule to help him get back to a healthy weight, and gentle exercise to recover lost muscle tone. But it was time that Morry needed the most, according to Jen Reid, Horse Haven manager.

    Racehorses start young, and Morry (born in 2016) isn’t yet physically or mentally mature. So, while he got plenty of handling at Horse Haven, the first priority was to give him the freedom to be a young horse. He moved in with three other horses who quickly became his friends and spent his days at the Sanctuary “horsing” around and playing with them. But soon it would be time for a new chapter of his life to begin.

    Along came Morry
    When Nina Nash learned about Morry, her heart went out to him. A resident of a town near the Sanctuary, she had recently lost her beloved 16-year-old horse and wanted another companion horse and riding partner.

    “My philosophy in life is that things come along when they need to,” she says. Nina also loves bay horses, and Morry is a pretty bay with a white star on his face and a tiny white snip on his nose. After meeting him and hearing how sweet and smart he is, Nina knew that Morry was meant to be her next horse.

    It’s been two months since Morry went home with Nina, and he’s doing wonderfully. Although she hasn’t yet started riding him (because he’s still too young), they are doing all the prep work and training together. Morry is catching on quickly — especially for a horse who didn’t have any previous training or education beyond the racetrack.

    Morry the horse walking next to four-wheel drive vehicle
    Former racehorse ‘a sweet old soul’
    Morry has also been amazing with Nina’s grandkids. “He loves them,” she says. “One of them is three years old and he follows her around like a puppy. He is easygoing and just a sweet old soul.”

    Does Morry miss his days on the racetrack? Not for a moment. “He still doesn't want to run,” Nina says with a laugh. “We let the horses loose in our area, and the other two will run, buck and play. Morry just looks at them like, ‘What on earth are you doing?’ He doesn't think running is a great thing, and that’s OK with me. He's the greatest and I’m just in love with him.”

    While this young thoroughbred will never set any speed records, he’s much happier, healthier and surrounded by love — now that he’s left horse racing in the dust.

    You can help save more horses like Morry

    Best Friends, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, operates the nation’s largest sanctuary for homeless animals and provides adoption, spay/neuter, and educational programs.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @4Boston said:

    @craig44 said:

    @stevek said:
    I don't disagree with the premise of protecting horses. However the fact is that life can be cruel in virtually all walks of life. In sports, most sports have suffered human deaths either while playing or practicing. I think in another thread awhile back, you posted that you enjoy mountain climbing. The list of mountain climbing deaths is endless. I don't think that mountain climbing should be banned.

    Believe it or not, one of the most dangerous professions in the world is fishing. I'd be sure in sports fishing, that drowning, etc, has occurred a large number of times.

    Suffice to say that overall, thoroughbreds enjoy a pretty good life, and if it wasn't for breeding, they wouldn't have had a life, they would have never been born.

    BTW, infinitely crueler is what occurs to animals in the wild with death. It's not from a humane needle injection. It's from being eaten alive which is probably how most herbivores meet their demise.

    Steve, to me the difference is one of free will and choice. none of those animals had a say in the matter. they are literally produced for nothing other than sport. I had no idea so many are killed in the process. 894 in one year seems pretty excessive to me.

    Would you rather they be shipped to Japan where they are a delicacy ?

    Hundreds of thousands have been killed there.

    Which is better ?

    We don’t need horses anymore.
    Just the police, Amish, and ranchers do.

    It’s a tough sport that I don’t like, but if you gave a horse a choice to race or be eaten in Asia which do you think he’d choose?

    strawman much? why are those the only 2 choices? The only reason those animals are bred/raised is for sport. The reason they are injured and killed is because of sport.

    by the way, you sort of just made my point. Animals are not given choices.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stevek said:

    @bgr said:
    This isn’t comparable to natural selection. I actually don’t think there is a solution to maintain this sport that would be feasible.

    I was blown away by what I learned.

    The specific traits bred in these horses cause danger. Large torsos and thin legs.

    Then it’s the drugs given. Not just to aide healing but to keep them racing. The anti inflammatories, antibiotics, pain killers, steroids. I guess glue isn’t a drug but it keeps them on the track.

    Solve that and you have to reconcile the fact that the horses are run too young. And this isn’t an argument about their relative age to humans. This has to do with their skeletal development. Their bodies are not adequately developed for the rigors of racing.

    I always knew horse racing was somewhat of a vile sport but I had no idea the depth. I really thought that the danger to the horses was related to bad trainers and bad owners using stimulants which increased cardiovascular risk. I had no idea how perverse it was. I would encourage anyone on the fence to review themselves.

    Yep, the fact is that thoroughbreds are born for one reason and one reason only. For humans to make money on them.

    i've sort of implied this before, and I know it sounds funny, but if a race horse could be given a choice of not being born or taking the abuse you noted, I'd say 100% they would say they'd like to be born.

    As far as the whipping, another point which I realize won't change your mind. Doing some quick inexact math, say a thoroughbreds career is 25 races. During a race, they rarely get whipped except for around the last say 20 seconds of the race. I've read where thoroughbreds in their first race, it's usually the first time they feel the whip. I don't think in general with thoroughbreds, the whip is used in training, but I may be incorrect about that. I think with show horses, etc, the whip has to be used to train them. Perhaps in standardbreds as well to get them to pace or trot in the proper gait.

    So with a thoroughbred, take the 25 races, times the 20 seconds, and that equals around 9 minutes of whipping time. In exchange for being born, and during their lifetimes being fed, housed, groomed, etc, with the best of care simply because they are very valuable animals. I think every thoroughbred alive and that ever lived would gladly take that deal.

    and then there were the 894 thoroughbreds who suffered a painful horrific death because of sport...

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    stevekstevek Posts: 28,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've read where retired greyhounds make great pets. 😊

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    @craig44 said:

    @stevek said:

    @bgr said:
    This isn’t comparable to natural selection. I actually don’t think there is a solution to maintain this sport that would be feasible.

    I was blown away by what I learned.

    The specific traits bred in these horses cause danger. Large torsos and thin legs.

    Then it’s the drugs given. Not just to aide healing but to keep them racing. The anti inflammatories, antibiotics, pain killers, steroids. I guess glue isn’t a drug but it keeps them on the track.

    Solve that and you have to reconcile the fact that the horses are run too young. And this isn’t an argument about their relative age to humans. This has to do with their skeletal development. Their bodies are not adequately developed for the rigors of racing.

    I always knew horse racing was somewhat of a vile sport but I had no idea the depth. I really thought that the danger to the horses was related to bad trainers and bad owners using stimulants which increased cardiovascular risk. I had no idea how perverse it was. I would encourage anyone on the fence to review themselves.

    Yep, the fact is that thoroughbreds are born for one reason and one reason only. For humans to make money on them.

    i've sort of implied this before, and I know it sounds funny, but if a race horse could be given a choice of not being born or taking the abuse you noted, I'd say 100% they would say they'd like to be born.

    As far as the whipping, another point which I realize won't change your mind. Doing some quick inexact math, say a thoroughbreds career is 25 races. During a race, they rarely get whipped except for around the last say 20 seconds of the race. I've read where thoroughbreds in their first race, it's usually the first time they feel the whip. I don't think in general with thoroughbreds, the whip is used in training, but I may be incorrect about that. I think with show horses, etc, the whip has to be used to train them. Perhaps in standardbreds as well to get them to pace or trot in the proper gait.

    So with a thoroughbred, take the 25 races, times the 20 seconds, and that equals around 9 minutes of whipping time. In exchange for being born, and during their lifetimes being fed, housed, groomed, etc, with the best of care simply because they are very valuable animals. I think every thoroughbred alive and that ever lived would gladly take that deal.

    and then there were the 894 thoroughbreds who suffered a painful horrific death because of sport...

    Yep, but in virtually every facet of life there is risk and possible harm that occurs to receive a successful outcome. For example, the silver and gold that are used to create the coins we collect in our great hobby of coin collecting. Countless human deaths involved in those silver and gold mines.

    Horse racing has grown into a huge billion dollar industry. It's not going away. I applaud the efforts to make it safer for the horses, as well as the jockeys and drivers. I don't mind the posts at all about making folks aware of the tragedies of horse deaths, and if that can be reduced, it's certainly a good thing.

    That being said, can it ever be reduced to the point of no deaths? Sorry that's just not going to be possible.

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    @4Boston said:
    I coached Bob Kulinas son Joel in high school ice hockey. I was over his house and at his track.

    I was good friends with Kevin Reynolds for years.

    These are quality people who love the industry. Salt of the earth guys.
    Many horse loving people in horse racing.

    lots of people like things that are not good. it doesn't make it right. one could make a parallel to dog fighting. also a very popular "sport"

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stevek said:

    @craig44 said:

    @stevek said:

    @bgr said:
    This isn’t comparable to natural selection. I actually don’t think there is a solution to maintain this sport that would be feasible.

    I was blown away by what I learned.

    The specific traits bred in these horses cause danger. Large torsos and thin legs.

    Then it’s the drugs given. Not just to aide healing but to keep them racing. The anti inflammatories, antibiotics, pain killers, steroids. I guess glue isn’t a drug but it keeps them on the track.

    Solve that and you have to reconcile the fact that the horses are run too young. And this isn’t an argument about their relative age to humans. This has to do with their skeletal development. Their bodies are not adequately developed for the rigors of racing.

    I always knew horse racing was somewhat of a vile sport but I had no idea the depth. I really thought that the danger to the horses was related to bad trainers and bad owners using stimulants which increased cardiovascular risk. I had no idea how perverse it was. I would encourage anyone on the fence to review themselves.

    Yep, the fact is that thoroughbreds are born for one reason and one reason only. For humans to make money on them.

    i've sort of implied this before, and I know it sounds funny, but if a race horse could be given a choice of not being born or taking the abuse you noted, I'd say 100% they would say they'd like to be born.

    As far as the whipping, another point which I realize won't change your mind. Doing some quick inexact math, say a thoroughbreds career is 25 races. During a race, they rarely get whipped except for around the last say 20 seconds of the race. I've read where thoroughbreds in their first race, it's usually the first time they feel the whip. I don't think in general with thoroughbreds, the whip is used in training, but I may be incorrect about that. I think with show horses, etc, the whip has to be used to train them. Perhaps in standardbreds as well to get them to pace or trot in the proper gait.

    So with a thoroughbred, take the 25 races, times the 20 seconds, and that equals around 9 minutes of whipping time. In exchange for being born, and during their lifetimes being fed, housed, groomed, etc, with the best of care simply because they are very valuable animals. I think every thoroughbred alive and that ever lived would gladly take that deal.

    and then there were the 894 thoroughbreds who suffered a painful horrific death because of sport...

    Yep, but in virtually every facet of life there is risk and possible harm that occurs to receive a successful outcome. For example, the silver and gold that are used to create the coins we collect in our great hobby of coin collecting. Countless human deaths involved in those silver and gold mines.

    Horse racing has grown into a huge billion dollar industry. It's not going away. I applaud the efforts to make it safer for the horses, as well as the jockeys and drivers. I don't mind the posts at all about making folks aware of the tragedies of horse deaths, and if that can be reduced, it's certainly a good thing.

    That being said, can it ever be reduced to the point of no deaths? Sorry that's just not going to be possible.

    I agree there are risks in many facets of life. and many people have died mining gold, silver, platinum, diamonds etc. The difference between those deaths and the deaths in horse racing are that the people who died mining had a choice. they could accept the job. or not. there is no choice or free will for the animals. they are forced. and for what? so people can bet on who is the fastest? it seems super meaningless and superficial.

    and for those who would say there could be slaves forced to mine in some instances, I think we all can agree forced labor is wrong.

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    bgrbgr Posts: 541 ✭✭✭

    I am embarrassed that I didn’t know about how horrible the sport was until now. I thought this was some over-the-top save the horses BS but it’s not. I looked for arguments that dispute how terrible horse racing is for the horses and came up empty. I doubt it exists.

    I would say that trying to compare it to anything else to justify it is a logical fallacy. Juxtaposition and justification are pointless.

    I always found it fun and exciting to watch. I’m lucky if I catch 2 of the 3 big races each year. I’m not going to have anything to do with this sport in the future. It’s really disgusting. I’m surprised that nothing has been done given the moral climate today. It’s big money but it’s not that big.

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    You know guys, I'm going to bring this thread to an end, I'm taking some heat from the moderator. If I get banned, so be it, I've enjoyed my time here with most of you guys and thanks. @2dueces and everyone here, no hard feelings brothers, I'm just passionate about animals.

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    stevekstevek Posts: 28,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @doubledragon said:
    You know guys, I'm going to bring this thread to an end, I'm taking some heat from the moderator. If I get banned, so be it, I've enjoyed my time here with most of you guys and thanks. @2dueces and everyone here, no hard feelings brothers, I'm just passionate about animals.

    If ya do get banned, before ya go, could you please ask that your post count of 23,191 be added to my post count? Then I can post alongside the big dogs in the coin forum. 😎

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    LandrysFedoraLandrysFedora Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stevek said:

    @perkdog said:
    The opening post has to be the longest on record for CU Sports Talk 😮

    The list of Dallas Cowboys championships in the 21st century is much shorter. 😉

    A dagger! Ouch!!

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    pdoidoipdoidoi Posts: 518 ✭✭✭

    @stevek said:
    I've read where retired greyhounds make great pets. 😊

    A friend of the family has had a few ex racing greyhounds and they seem to make great pets.

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    @4Boston said:

    @pdoidoi said:

    @4Boston said:

    @craig44 said:

    @stevek said:
    I don't disagree with the premise of protecting horses. However the fact is that life can be cruel in virtually all walks of life. In sports, most sports have suffered human deaths either while playing or practicing. I think in another thread awhile back, you posted that you enjoy mountain climbing. The list of mountain climbing deaths is endless. I don't think that mountain climbing should be banned.

    Believe it or not, one of the most dangerous professions in the world is fishing. I'd be sure in sports fishing, that drowning, etc, has occurred a large number of times.

    Suffice to say that overall, thoroughbreds enjoy a pretty good life, and if it wasn't for breeding, they wouldn't have had a life, they would have never been born.

    BTW, infinitely crueler is what occurs to animals in the wild with death. It's not from a humane needle injection. It's from being eaten alive which is probably how most herbivores meet their demise.

    Steve, to me the difference is one of free will and choice. none of those animals had a say in the matter. they are literally produced for nothing other than sport. I had no idea so many are killed in the process. 894 in one year seems pretty excessive to me.

    Would you rather they be shipped to Japan where they are a delicacy ?

    Hundreds of thousands have been killed there.

    Which is better ?

    We don’t need horses anymore.
    Just the police, Amish, and ranchers do.

    It’s a tough sport that I don’t like, but if you gave a horse a choice to race or be eaten in Asia which do you think he’d choose?

    If you gave them a choice I think they would like to be free in the wild.

    Where they have no access to medicines and vets, and are prone to predators ?

    You go live in the wild with no doctors and fight for your food instead of being hand fed and loved. Lmk your opinion after you experience that.

    If they are born in the wild, I think most would rather be in the wild.

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    SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 11,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In many areas of human endeavor there are dark sides that are present and kept out of public view (many times due to money, ego, vanity, greed, etc.)

    For example (in addition to horse racing):

    1. Dog racing;

    2. American Football (and likely non American football);

    3. Gymnastics;

    4. The creation, testing and marketing of medicine (including testing on animals);

    5. Drug testing and trials on humans;

    6. Modeling;

    7. Dancing;

    8. Singing;

    9. Acting;

    10. Real estate;

    11. Wall Street;

    12. Tech;

    13. Public office and elections;

    15 Religion;

    1. Science;

    2. The Military;

    3. The Law;

    4. Pregnancy and birth;

    5. Education;

    6. The Homeless Industry;

    7. The Immigrant Industry;

    8. The Mental Health Industry;

    9. The Drug Addicted Industry;

    10. International Relations;

    11. Pop Culture.

    And many, many more.

    Humans can be and are both wonderful and terrible.

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    14 was so bad you couldn't mention it

    the human involved ones have some amount of informed consent and acceptance of dangers.

    can't horse racing exist as something along the lines of having a sprinter train and race? i know the horse can't sign up for it, but these are literally thoroughbreds. it's not an super-equine task.

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    DrBusterDrBuster Posts: 5,322 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you eat meat or wear leather your arguments/complaining about horse racing happenings to the animals are well beyond invalid.

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    bgrbgr Posts: 541 ✭✭✭

    @DrBuster said:
    If you eat meat or wear leather your arguments/complaining about horse racing happenings to the animals are well beyond invalid.

    I considered this argument. The argument is that in both cases the animals end up dead.

    It’s a bit of a stretch to compare animal husbandry to what occurs during a race horses life before its death. I would allow that not all animal husbandry is done humanely.

    But, even if it wasn’t a bit of fallacious logic it would only serve to prove hypocrisy, not invalidity. :)

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    without getting into "neener-neener"n gotchas I'll just say the term "race horses" says a lot about what is going on in the race horses life.

    also: stuff happens - is show jumping next?
    https://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/showjumping-world-cup-finals-horse-died-855649#:~:text=The FEI confirmed said: “It,April%20and%20later%20unexpectedly%20collapsed.

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    and just thought about police dogs. certainly a more dangerous use and they are sent in when they don't want to use a human police officer. i'd certainly think if one has an issue with race horses, they'd definitely want to stop police dogs

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    @pdoidoi said:

    @4Boston said:

    @pdoidoi said:

    @4Boston said:

    @craig44 said:

    @stevek said:
    I don't disagree with the premise of protecting horses. However the fact is that life can be cruel in virtually all walks of life. In sports, most sports have suffered human deaths either while playing or practicing. I think in another thread awhile back, you posted that you enjoy mountain climbing. The list of mountain climbing deaths is endless. I don't think that mountain climbing should be banned.

    Believe it or not, one of the most dangerous professions in the world is fishing. I'd be sure in sports fishing, that drowning, etc, has occurred a large number of times.

    Suffice to say that overall, thoroughbreds enjoy a pretty good life, and if it wasn't for breeding, they wouldn't have had a life, they would have never been born.

    BTW, infinitely crueler is what occurs to animals in the wild with death. It's not from a humane needle injection. It's from being eaten alive which is probably how most herbivores meet their demise.

    Steve, to me the difference is one of free will and choice. none of those animals had a say in the matter. they are literally produced for nothing other than sport. I had no idea so many are killed in the process. 894 in one year seems pretty excessive to me.

    Would you rather they be shipped to Japan where they are a delicacy ?

    Hundreds of thousands have been killed there.

    Which is better ?

    We don’t need horses anymore.
    Just the police, Amish, and ranchers do.

    It’s a tough sport that I don’t like, but if you gave a horse a choice to race or be eaten in Asia which do you think he’d choose?

    If you gave them a choice I think they would like to be free in the wild.

    Where they have no access to medicines and vets, and are prone to predators ?

    You go live in the wild with no doctors and fight for your food instead of being hand fed and loved. Lmk your opinion after you experience that.

    If they are born in the wild, I think most would rather be in the wild.

    Yeah. So they can see mountain lions eat their loved ones.

    What would you choose if you could live to be 15 or closer to 30 ?

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    4Boston4Boston Posts: 318 ✭✭✭

    @stevek said:

    @4Boston said:

    @pdoidoi said:

    @4Boston said:

    @craig44 said:

    @stevek said:
    I don't disagree with the premise of protecting horses. However the fact is that life can be cruel in virtually all walks of life. In sports, most sports have suffered human deaths either while playing or practicing. I think in another thread awhile back, you posted that you enjoy mountain climbing. The list of mountain climbing deaths is endless. I don't think that mountain climbing should be banned.

    Believe it or not, one of the most dangerous professions in the world is fishing. I'd be sure in sports fishing, that drowning, etc, has occurred a large number of times.

    Suffice to say that overall, thoroughbreds enjoy a pretty good life, and if it wasn't for breeding, they wouldn't have had a life, they would have never been born.

    BTW, infinitely crueler is what occurs to animals in the wild with death. It's not from a humane needle injection. It's from being eaten alive which is probably how most herbivores meet their demise.

    Steve, to me the difference is one of free will and choice. none of those animals had a say in the matter. they are literally produced for nothing other than sport. I had no idea so many are killed in the process. 894 in one year seems pretty excessive to me.

    Would you rather they be shipped to Japan where they are a delicacy ?

    Hundreds of thousands have been killed there.

    Which is better ?

    We don’t need horses anymore.
    Just the police, Amish, and ranchers do.

    It’s a tough sport that I don’t like, but if you gave a horse a choice to race or be eaten in Asia which do you think he’d choose?

    If you gave them a choice I think they would like to be free in the wild.

    Where they have no access to medicines and vets, and are prone to predators ?

    You go live in the wild with no doctors and fight for your food instead of being hand fed and loved. Lmk your opinion after you experience that.

    @4Boston said:

    @pdoidoi said:

    @4Boston said:

    @craig44 said:

    @stevek said:
    I don't d

    isagree with the premise of protecting horses. However the fact is that life can be cruel in virtually all walks of life. In sports, most sports have suffered human deaths either while playing or practicing. I think in another thread awhile back, you posted that you enjoy mountain climbing. The list of mountain climbing deaths is endless. I don't think that mountain climbing should be banned.

    Believe it or not, one of the most dangerous professions in the world is fishing. I'd be sure in sports fishing, that drowning, etc, has occurred a large number of times.

    Suffice to say that overall, thoroughbreds enjoy a pretty good life, and if it wasn't for breeding, they wouldn't have had a life, they would have never been born.

    BTW, infinitely crueler is what occurs to animals in the wild with death. It's not from a humane needle injection. It's from being eaten alive which is probably how most herbivores meet their demise.

    Steve, to me the difference is one of free will and choice. none of those animals had a say in the matter. they are literally produced for nothing other than sport. I had no idea so many are killed in the process. 894 in one year seems pretty excessive to me.

    Would you rather they be shipped to Japan where they are a delicacy ?

    Hundreds of thousands have been killed there.

    Which is better ?

    We don’t need horses anymore.
    Just the police, Amish, and ranchers do.

    It’s a tough sport that I don’t like, but if you gave a horse a choice to race or be eaten in Asia which do you think he’d choose?

    If you gave them a choice I think they would like to be free in the wild.

    Where they have no access to medicines and vets, and are prone to predators ?

    You go live in the wild with no doctors and fight for your food instead of being hand fed and loved. Lmk your opinion after you experience that.

    Boston you make some good points. Horses in the wild versus a thoroughbred cared for by humans. I guess wild horses get used to it, but the fact is 24/7 they are in awareness or fear, depending on the area of the world, of getting eaten alive by a large member of the cat family or some other large predator, pack of wolves, wild dogs, etc. I've seen videos on Youtube of grizzly bears chasing mooses, and it didn't seem like the moose was having too much fun.

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    bgrbgr Posts: 541 ✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    without getting into "neener-neener"n gotchas I'll just say the term "race horses" says a lot about what is going on in the race horses life.

    also: stuff happens - is show jumping next?
    https://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/showjumping-world-cup-finals-horse-died-855649#:~:text=The FEI confirmed said: “It,April%20and%20later%20unexpectedly%20collapsed.

    A fair attempt. I tried to rationalize it with this angle as well. Show jumping especially has had its share of mystery deaths. There was also the “show jumping horse killing scandal”.

    The average age of horses for show jumping is 11.5 years.

    Horse and hound has a nice yearly memorial page for show jumping horses who have passed. Unlike the 13 year old Chromatic, who started showing at 12 years old they are mostly in their mid to late 20s or 30s.

    This one I reject as a false equivalence.

    I would argue these primary points to make this the case that these are not equivalent.

    1. The age of the horses in their respective competitions.
    2. The condition of the horses in their respective competitions.
    3. The types of injuries sustained in the various sports and their survivability.
    4. You should also look at the scope of the issue. Start with the number of deaths. The difference is a couple orders of magnitude annually.
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