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I believe I have a 1943 P Nickel struck on a Gold planchet. Tested with gold acid test.

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  • trish53172trish53172 Posts: 78 ✭✭

    @horseyride said:
    just to check .. you took a rare, potentially unique, coin and purposely scratched it? That's terrible. Can you post a few photos of this item?

    🤣🤣🤣 Yes I sure did. My bad. I'll get out my white gloves and be careful from now on🤣🤣

  • trish53172trish53172 Posts: 78 ✭✭

    I just want to say all of you are amazing! Thank you all for your input. I need it.😁

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,251 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 4, 2024 1:57PM

    @Manifest_Destiny said:

    @trish53172 said:
    Oh to my friend above a war nickel normal weight is 4.68 grams. It wasn't until 1966 when all Nickels to today is 5.0 grams😊

    If it was on a gold planchet, it would weigh around 8.5g.

    What if it was 10 kt gold?

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,251 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 4, 2024 2:36PM

    Get a "regular" war nickel and test the acid on it. Sterling silver, for example, is also inert to 10 k acid. I don't know about the war nickel alloy which is a copper-silver-manganese alloy.

  • lermishlermish Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Manifest_Destiny said:

    @trish53172 said:
    Oh to my friend above a war nickel normal weight is 4.68 grams. It wasn't until 1966 when all Nickels to today is 5.0 grams😊

    If it was on a gold planchet, it would weigh around 8.5g.

    What if it was 10 kt gold?

    Were there ever 10kt planchets? I honestly don't know but can't really think of any 42% gold coins although my knowledge is not exactly encyclopedic.

  • trish53172trish53172 Posts: 78 ✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Manifest_Destiny said:

    @trish53172 said:
    Oh to my friend above a war nickel normal weight is 4.68 grams. It wasn't until 1966 when all Nickels to today is 5.0 grams😊

    If it was on a gold planchet, it would weigh around 8.5g.

    What if it was 10 kt gold?

    It's on the wrong planchet for sure. Was hoping one of y'all could figure out what planchet ots on weather it be a mistaken world coin or?? Lol the scratch did not disapate at all when tested. Like I was saying normal 1043 P Nickels are 4.68 grams and mine is 5.9 so who knows. 😁 Couldn't hurt to send it in. Thank you for your input I appreciate it😊> @jmlanzaf said:

    Get a "regular" war nickel and test the acid on it. Sterling silver, for example, is also inert to 10 k acid. I don't know about the way nickel alloy which is a copper-silver-manganese alloy.

    Thank you so much for this info. That truly helps. Now I need to figure out why it weighs 5.9 grams😊

  • trish53172trish53172 Posts: 78 ✭✭

    @lermish said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Manifest_Destiny said:

    @trish53172 said:
    Oh to my friend above a war nickel normal weight is 4.68 grams. It wasn't until 1966 when all Nickels to today is 5.0 grams😊

    If it was on a gold planchet, it would weigh around 8.5g.

    What if it was 10 kt gold?

    Were there ever 10kt planchets? I honestly don't know but can't really think of any 42% gold coins although my knowledge is not exactly encyclopedic.

    Thank you. I know war coins were the only nickels with silver content and only had 40 percent silver but who knows What planchet this coin was on. There have been some very rare and odd coins graded over the years so I never rule out slight possibilitys 😁😁 love all the feedback

  • trish53172trish53172 Posts: 78 ✭✭

    @trish53172 said:

    @horseyride said:
    just to check .. you took a rare, potentially unique, coin and purposely scratched it? That's terrible. Can you post a few photos of this item?

    🤣🤣🤣 Yes I sure did. My bad. I'll get out my white gloves and be careful from now on🤣🤣

    Thank you for your help.😊 I truly appreciate everyone 😊> @OAKSTAR said:

    @Goldbully said:

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @lermish - How do you know she is a she?


    That looks like a she to me, and quite pretty.

    So we've been talking to Leonard Nimoy, Fonzie and Jeff Bridges all these years? 🤣 😂 LoL!

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,780 ✭✭✭✭✭

    War nickels weigh 5 grams… same as other nickels. Check your scale with a new nickel, then the one you posted.

  • trish53172trish53172 Posts: 78 ✭✭
    edited May 4, 2024 2:43PM

    @ambro51 said:
    War nickels weigh 5 grams… same as other nickels. Check your scale with a new nickel, then the one you posted.
    Every war nickel I have weights less than 5 grams🤣

  • trish53172trish53172 Posts: 78 ✭✭

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,251 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lermish said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Manifest_Destiny said:

    @trish53172 said:
    Oh to my friend above a war nickel normal weight is 4.68 grams. It wasn't until 1966 when all Nickels to today is 5.0 grams😊

    If it was on a gold planchet, it would weigh around 8.5g.

    What if it was 10 kt gold?

    Were there ever 10kt planchets? I honestly don't know but can't really think of any 42% gold coins although my knowledge is not exactly encyclopedic.

    I was just kidding because it was 10 kt acid.

  • trish53172trish53172 Posts: 78 ✭✭
    edited May 4, 2024 2:47PM

    @trish53172 said:

    @ambro51 said:
    War nickels weigh 5 grams… same as other nickels. Check your scale with a new nickel, then the one you posted.

    Most weight slightly less than 5 grams. Done plenty of homework over the years . I learned it depends on the actual date cause 1943 p weighed slightly less than 5 grams. Here's one example😊

    Thank you for your input

  • trish53172trish53172 Posts: 78 ✭✭

    I just tested 4 different 1943 P Nickels and every one of them disappeared in the results within seconds completely different reaction than the one up for questioning 😊so I am sending in the coin. Couldn't heart

  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 6,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

  • trish53172trish53172 Posts: 78 ✭✭

    I know in books and written documents all nickels weigh 5 grams. However if you weigh them yourself with an accurate scale and then check these results with another scale and get the same results after about 100 of them weighing in and around the 4.68 grams you tend to stick with the obvious 😊 thank you every one for your helpful input appreciate you all 😊

  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,780 ✭✭✭✭✭



  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,780 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 4, 2024 4:08PM

    Isaac Newton guarantees the accuracy of my scale. :D We Appreciate You Too! :) Posters like You keep this board interesting! All that said, in all seriousness, IF you get a third party with a good accurate scale to weigh your coin, and indeed it is of a lighter than normal weight, an XRF test will accurately determine the alloy makeup on several points of the coins surface. IF the alloy is not standard, it possibly could be an off metal strike on a planchet intended for production for a foreign nation, by a US Mint. IF that’s the case, you hit Paydirt. It’s a lot of “ifs” but like Q David Bowers told me .. “Discoveries DO Happen!” Good Luck glad you took all this very typical board banter well….we just “do this”. PCGS Certification ends all Arguments but be smart and double-check the weight before submission.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,251 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ambro51 said:
    Isaac Newton guarantees the accuracy of my scale. :D We Appreciate You Too! :) Posters like You keep this board interesting! All that said, in all seriousness, IF you get a third party with a good accurate scale to weigh your coin, and indeed it is of a lighter than normal weight, an XRF test will accurately determine the alloy makeup on several points of the coins surface. IF the alloy is not standard, it possibly could be an off metal strike on a planchet intended for production for a foreign nation, by a US Mint. IF that’s the case, you hit Paydirt. It’s a lot of “ifs” but like Q David Bowers told me .. “Discoveries DO Happen!” Good Luck glad you took all this very typical board banter well….we just “do this”. PCGS Certification ends all Arguments but be smart and double-check the weight before submission.

    It's heavier not lighter.

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  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 2,871 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Please allow me to offer a bit of relevant knowledge that could lead towards and answer.

    Wrong planchet errors occur when the wrong planchet is used to strike coins from a particular set of dies. They occur when one or a few planchets are left over in a hopper intended for blank planchets and new planchets, intended for a different coin, are dumped into the hopper. The few wrong planchets will be struck along with and mixed into the thousands of finished coins of the new denomination.

    So, the U.S. mint would have had to be striking gold coins for someone else at this time. Were they? Well, a little research, (which it appears nobody else was willing to do) provides the answer.

    Yes, the U.S. was striking coins for other nations during WW2 but mostly silver and base metal. THE ONLY GOLD COINS STRUCK BY THE US DURING WW2 WERE THE SAUDI ARABIA ARAMCO "tokens" struck in the gold weight and content of 1 and 4 sovereign coins. The smaller sovereigns (pounds) were about 8 grams, so unless your nickel weighs around 8 grams, it wasn't struck on one of these Saudi planchets. There were no other gold planchets in use at the U.S. mint at the time in question.

    Buffalo nickels were struck at the same time that the U.S. was issuing gold coins, so this error is quite possible. A 1943 gold nickel is only possible on an Aramco planchet and that would probably be too large to fit in a nickel collar.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,146 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @sellitstore said:
    Please allow me to offer a bit of relevant knowledge that could lead towards and answer.

    Wrong planchet errors occur when the wrong planchet is used to strike coins from a particular set of dies. They occur when one or a few planchets are left over in a hopper intended for blank planchets and new planchets, intended for a different coin, are dumped into the hopper. The few wrong planchets will be struck along with and mixed into the thousands of finished coins of the new denomination.

    So, the U.S. mint would have had to be striking gold coins for someone else at this time. Were they? Well, a little research, (which it appears nobody else was willing to do) provides the answer.

    Yes, the U.S. was striking coins for other nations during WW2 but mostly silver and base metal. THE ONLY GOLD COINS STRUCK BY THE US DURING WW2 WERE THE SAUDI ARABIA ARAMCO "tokens" struck in the gold weight and content of 1 and 4 sovereign coins. The smaller sovereigns (pounds) were about 8 grams, so unless your nickel weighs around 8 grams, it wasn't struck on one of these Saudi planchets. There were no other gold planchets in use at the U.S. mint at the time in question.

    Buffalo nickels were struck at the same time that the U.S. was issuing gold coins, so this error is quite possible. A 1943 gold nickel is only possible on an Aramco planchet and that would probably be too large to fit in a nickel collar.

    The ARAMCO gold coins were struck in 1945 and 1946 so the 1943 nickel could not have been struck on an ARAMCO gold planchet.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,146 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Russell12 said:
    I have a potentially VERY valuable, possibly one of a kind, never before seen coin, SO I SCRATCHED IT.

    No! You're supposed to take a file and put a large test cut in the rim. ;)

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  • lermishlermish Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @sellitstore said:
    Please allow me to offer a bit of relevant knowledge that could lead towards and answer.

    Wrong planchet errors occur when the wrong planchet is used to strike coins from a particular set of dies. They occur when one or a few planchets are left over in a hopper intended for blank planchets and new planchets, intended for a different coin, are dumped into the hopper. The few wrong planchets will be struck along with and mixed into the thousands of finished coins of the new denomination.

    So, the U.S. mint would have had to be striking gold coins for someone else at this time. Were they? Well, a little research, (which it appears nobody else was willing to do) provides the answer.

    Yes, the U.S. was striking coins for other nations during WW2 but mostly silver and base metal. THE ONLY GOLD COINS STRUCK BY THE US DURING WW2 WERE THE SAUDI ARABIA ARAMCO "tokens" struck in the gold weight and content of 1 and 4 sovereign coins. The smaller sovereigns (pounds) were about 8 grams, so unless your nickel weighs around 8 grams, it wasn't struck on one of these Saudi planchets. There were no other gold planchets in use at the U.S. mint at the time in question.

    Buffalo nickels were struck at the same time that the U.S. was issuing gold coins, so this error is quite possible. A 1943 gold nickel is only possible on an Aramco planchet and that would probably be too large to fit in a nickel collar.

    The ARAMCO gold coins were struck in 1945 and 1946 so the 1943 nickel could not have been struck on an ARAMCO gold planchet.

    Thank you for doing the research properly (it appears nobody else was willing to do it). ;)

  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not struck on gold planchet.

    For whatever it is worth, doing some quick and dirty reverse image searches on her pic comes up with nothing, unalike say, the pic that OAKSTAR uploaded, which I was able to find a source image for pretty quickly (Sara Orrego).

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  • Married2CoinsMarried2Coins Posts: 582 ✭✭✭

    @trish53172 said:
    Hello everyone, I noticed one of my 1943 P Nickels was gold in color so I took a chance and used my acid golf test kit by scratching it on my test pad then adding the 10kt acid test and it did not dissolve. Did not go any farther because I did not want to damage it any more. I have checked all my books and researched it completely. A nickel error struck on a gold planchet is not noted anywhere. Would like some opinions because I'm seriously thinking about sending this one to PCGS but I am just not sure😵‍💫

    Don't test you coins by scratching them.

    However weighing 5.9 grams it's on the wrong planchet so going to send it for a grade anyway. You were definitely correct on that part🤣🤣🤣

    IMHO, there is something interesting here. The coin is overweight. PCGS will have the answer. I have several copper coins in my collection with silver or gold flakes struck into them. I also have a silver dollar with a scrap of copper in the hair. NONE of mine are big enought to influence the coin's weight. It looks to me that where you scratched your coin there was a gold color. Perhaps there was something that was in the Wartime planchet. Gook Luck.

  • Married2CoinsMarried2Coins Posts: 582 ✭✭✭

    I wonder if anything gold was being struck at the Mint during the same time period.

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,596 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Married2Coins said:
    I wonder if anything gold was being struck at the Mint during the same time period.

    A half dozen posts above yours was the answer. ;)

  • I looked at the Buffalo 5C is 8.6 grams, seems a bit light.
    Just my thought
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  • Married2CoinsMarried2Coins Posts: 582 ✭✭✭

    @JBK said:

    @Married2Coins said:
    I wonder if anything gold was being struck at the Mint during the same time period.

    A half dozen posts above yours was the answer. ;)

    Sorry, I cannot find what you ae writing about. Her coin is not made of gold. Her coin has some gold (?) in it. The Saudi Coins were not being mad in 1943. If her coin has gold scrap in it, perhaps something was.

  • Married2CoinsMarried2Coins Posts: 582 ✭✭✭

    We were not srtiking gold coins for anyone at the time UNLESS it was secret and not reported. Medals of some kind?

  • Slade01Slade01 Posts: 294 ✭✭✭
    edited May 5, 2024 9:52AM

    @trish53172 said:
    Oh to my friend above a war nickel normal weight is 4.68 grams. It wasn't until 1966 when all Nickels to today is 5.0 grams😊

    Please save your money, it cannot be gold. Spend that money on a nice coin! ;)

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,251 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Married2Coins said:

    @JBK said:

    @Married2Coins said:
    I wonder if anything gold was being struck at the Mint during the same time period.

    A half dozen posts above yours was the answer. ;)

    Sorry, I cannot find what you ae writing about. Her coin is not made of gold. Her coin has some gold (?) in it. The Saudi Coins were not being mad in 1943. If her coin has gold scrap in it, perhaps something was.

    The answer (above) is that NO gold coins were being struck by the US Mint in 1943.

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I believe you believe.... good luck +++

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,260 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @trish53172 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Manifest_Destiny said:

    @trish53172 said:
    Oh to my friend above a war nickel normal weight is 4.68 grams. It wasn't until 1966 when all Nickels to today is 5.0 grams😊

    If it was on a gold planchet, it would weigh around 8.5g.

    What if it was 10 kt gold?

    It's on the wrong planchet for sure. Was hoping one of y'all could figure out what planchet ots on weather it be a mistaken world coin or?? Lol the scratch did not disapate at all when tested. Like I was saying normal 1043 P Nickels are 4.68 grams and mine is 5.9 so who knows. 😁 Couldn't hurt to send it in. Thank you for your input I appreciate it😊> @jmlanzaf said:

    Get a "regular" war nickel and test the acid on it. Sterling silver, for example, is also inert to 10 k acid. I don't know about the way nickel alloy which is a copper-silver-manganese alloy.

    Thank you so much for this info. That truly helps. Now I need to figure out why it weighs 5.9 grams😊

    Did you compare the thickness of the heavy piece to other coins?

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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,260 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And if your coin is normal thickness and heavy, consider the possibility of other contaminants in the alloy. Gold is not the only heavy metal. And lead and platinum, for example, seem more likely than gold to have found their way into a pile of WW2 scrap metal.

    Andy Lustig

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,251 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jonathanb said:

    @Married2Coins said:
    IMHO, there is something interesting here. The coin is overweight.

    The coin is not overweight. The OP's scale is wrong, or they're misreading it, or they're misreporting the results.

    The OP has a normal war nickel, containing about a dollar and a half worth of silver.

    There is nothing interesting here.

    Or the coin is overweight. It is possible.

    If their regular nickels weigh correctly and this one weighs 5.9 grams, the only explanation is they are intentionally lying. Do you really want to make such an accusation just because you can't accept the POSSIBILITY that they have a wrong planchet error?

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,306 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @jonathanb said:

    @Married2Coins said:
    IMHO, there is something interesting here. The coin is overweight.

    The coin is not overweight. The OP's scale is wrong, or they're misreading it, or they're misreporting the results.

    The OP has a normal war nickel, containing about a dollar and a half worth of silver.

    There is nothing interesting here.

    Or the coin is overweight. It is possible.

    If their regular nickels weigh correctly and this one weighs 5.9 grams, the only explanation is they are intentionally lying. Do you really want to make such an accusation just because you can't accept the POSSIBILITY that they have a wrong planchet error?

    Perhaps I have missed it, can you please point out where in this thread the OP has posted a photo of the coin on a scale that shows the coin is overweight. You seem to be bent to defend something that has not been proven to any extent.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,251 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinbuf said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @jonathanb said:

    @Married2Coins said:
    IMHO, there is something interesting here. The coin is overweight.

    The coin is not overweight. The OP's scale is wrong, or they're misreading it, or they're misreporting the results.

    The OP has a normal war nickel, containing about a dollar and a half worth of silver.

    There is nothing interesting here.

    Or the coin is overweight. It is possible.

    If their regular nickels weigh correctly and this one weighs 5.9 grams, the only explanation is they are intentionally lying. Do you really want to make such an accusation just because you can't accept the POSSIBILITY that they have a wrong planchet error?

    Perhaps I have missed it, can you please point out where in this thread the OP has posted a photo of the coin on a scale that shows the coin is overweight. You seem to be bent to defend something that has not been proven to any extent.

    Because, again, you are essentially accusing her of lying. I don't see any point in making such an accusation. She says it weighs 5.9 g and wants to send it to PCGS, I say fine. It's not gold, but it could be a different planchet error.

    [And if she posted a photo of a coin on a scale that said 5.9 grams, you'd accuse her off messing with the tare and request a video. Then you'd accuse her off editing the video...and so on...]

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,251 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jonathanb said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    If their regular nickels weigh correctly and this one weighs 5.9 grams, the only explanation is they are intentionally lying. Do you really want to make such an accusation just because you can't accept the POSSIBILITY that they have a wrong planchet error?

    I didn't say "lying".

    The OP continues to insist that their coin is struck in gold, despite piles of evidence (including their own not-gold-colored pics) that suggest otherwise.

    I am very comfortable with the assumption that the OP is incorrect in multiple ways and not just one.

    It doesn't have to be gold to be a planchet error.

    And the only implication of your accusation is lying since she claims her other war nickels weigh just under 5 g and this one is 5.9 g. She also says the 10 kt acid dissolves regular war nickels but not this one. Please explain how claiming those things to be untrue are anything but a claim of dishonesty.

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,306 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @coinbuf said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @jonathanb said:

    @Married2Coins said:
    IMHO, there is something interesting here. The coin is overweight.

    The coin is not overweight. The OP's scale is wrong, or they're misreading it, or they're misreporting the results.

    The OP has a normal war nickel, containing about a dollar and a half worth of silver.

    There is nothing interesting here.

    Or the coin is overweight. It is possible.

    If their regular nickels weigh correctly and this one weighs 5.9 grams, the only explanation is they are intentionally lying. Do you really want to make such an accusation just because you can't accept the POSSIBILITY that they have a wrong planchet error?

    Perhaps I have missed it, can you please point out where in this thread the OP has posted a photo of the coin on a scale that shows the coin is overweight. You seem to be bent to defend something that has not been proven to any extent.

    Because, again, you are essentially accusing her of lying. I don't see any point in making such an accusation. She says it weighs 5.9 g and wants to send it to PCGS, I say fine. It's not gold, but it could be a different planchet error.

    [And if she posted a photo of a coin on a scale that said 5.9 grams, you'd accuse her off messing with the tare and request a video. Then you'd accuse her off editing the video...and so on...]

    So now you are accusing me of doing something that I have not done biased only on what you think I would do without any way to know, keep digging that hole you are in is getting deeper. To be very clear I have not accused anyone of anything, I asked if such a photo had been posted, that is not an accusation nor am I calling anyone a liar, you are way out of line and I have reported your post.

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