Oldest certified Proof Coin?

lsica

I asked this in the World/Ancient Forum and never got a response. Hoping someone here might have info they can provide.....What is the oldest certified Proof Coin (here or at NGC)?

Cranium_Basher73

Oldest by date? Or oldest as to when it was graded?

MsMorrisine

i'd think that forum would be the place to go. is it just cobwebs now?

braddick

PCGS PR66.
(This would be my guess.)

lsica

@Cranium_Basher73 said:
Oldest by date? Or oldest as to when it was graded?

Sorry - by date

lsica

@braddick said:

PCGS PR66.
(This would be my guess.)

I think PCGS has Proof Cents graded back to 1817. But I was talking about anywhere in the world. I don't think the process was actually invented here

lsica

@MsMorrisine said:
i'd think that forum would be the place to go. is it just cobwebs now?

I thought so too, and there is activity there. Just not on my thread

Crypto

First formal proofs were struck at the mint in 1820 with American coins. All special strikings before that are specimens.

There are coins as early as 1818 that are called proofs with the fabric of them but don’t have documentation

lsica

@Crypto said:
First formal proofs were struck at the mint in 1820 with American coins. All special strikings before that are specimens

PCGS has proof cents certified back to 1817. But I meant anywhere in the world

RobertScotLover

I personally don't care what the U.S. Mint records state, if a coin, whatever year looks like a proof, barks like a proof, smells like a proof...you get my poor humor, then its a proof. Its the fabric of a coin that determines it to be a proof and not the old lousy mint records and this includes Presentation Pieces too, all mo

Coinbert

PCGS has certified several 1732 George II Proof crowns from Great Britain. Probably earlier issues from the Royal Mint can be found. The first recognized silver US Proof coins were produced in 1818. One 1818 quarter now graded by PCGS wth CAC approval. Two 1818 half dollars graded by PCGS with one having CAC approval. The Proof 1801, 1802, 1803 and 1804 dollars were struck in 1834 or later.

jmlanzaf

@RobertScotLover said:
I personally don't care what the U.S. Mint records state, if a coin, whatever year looks like a proof, barks like a proof, smells like a proof...you get my poor humor, then its a proof. Its the fabric of a coin that determines it to be a proof and not the old lousy mint records and this includes Presentation Pieces too, all mo

Disagree. Proof is a method. Proof-like looks like a Proof, barks like a Proof, but isn't a Proof.

As to the OP's question, there are British 17th century proof coins for sure.

PerryHall

@jmlanzaf said:
As to the OP's question, there are British 17th century proof coins for sure.

There are proof coins from the 1600's?

gumby1234

Crypto

@gumby1234 said:

Yah but those were struck much later on trade dollar planchets if I am not mistake which places them in the 1870s

JBK

It might be easier to figure out when the first few proof issues (non-US) were issued and see if any of those have been slabbed.

Manifest_Destiny

@jmlanzaf said:

@RobertScotLover said:
I personally don't care what the U.S. Mint records state, if a coin, whatever year looks like a proof, barks like a proof, smells like a proof...you get my poor humor, then its a proof. Its the fabric of a coin that determines it to be a proof and not the old lousy mint records and this includes Presentation Pieces too, all mo

Proof is a method. Proof-like looks like a Proof, barks like a Proof, but isn't a Proof.

I agree with this, but then the question becomes - What's the method?

Medal press? Polished blanks? etc.

jmlanzaf

@PerryHall said:

@jmlanzaf said:
As to the OP's question, there are British 17th century proof coins for sure.

There are proof coins from the 1600's?

jmlanzaf

@JBK said:
It might be easier to figure out when the first few proof issues (non-US) were issued and see if any of those have been slabbed.

@JBK said:
It might be easier to figure out when the first few proof issues (non-US) were issued and see if any of those have been slabbed.

More numerous examples exist from the 18th century in UK.

Rexford

jmlanzaf

@Rexford said:

Fantastic piece.

jmlanzaf

@Manifest_Destiny said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@RobertScotLover said:
I personally don't care what the U.S. Mint records state, if a coin, whatever year looks like a proof, barks like a proof, smells like a proof...you get my poor humor, then its a proof. Its the fabric of a coin that determines it to be a proof and not the old lousy mint records and this includes Presentation Pieces too, all mo

Proof is a method. Proof-like looks like a Proof, barks like a Proof, but isn't a Proof.

I agree with this, but then the question becomes - What's the method?

Medal press? Polished blanks? etc.

I think it's tricky because of slighr variations in the method. We need Roger back.