1970-D Jefferson Nickel will it ever make FS???!!
manlye1
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I thought this had a good shot at FS all 5 are there with no distracting marks. It has the usual weakness on pillar 3 which some of the known FS examples have but the step is all there and does not break. Is this going to be a crack out crack out crack out until I get it, or am I crazy..Don't answer the crazy part 
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with a $26 price guide and a $5500 with FS, I would try again. Is that staining above N in Monticello or incomplete steps?
That is damn close if not there. I would have to see it in person to be sure. I would try CAC on it if you crack it.
As PCGS has only graded 1 in 64, 2 in 65 and 1 in 66. I might save my money. Think about it: If you truly think it to be FS, what are you going to insure it for? That's going to be expensive if you truly are worried about its value. Unless it looked like this, I would not waste my money nor my time. Not a modern Jeff guy, but I have had a few early Jeff sets of FS 38-48 and working on another. There must be a reason, so someone more familiar with the series might chip in to say why they are so rare. Also, look at the 69 D in FS. Only 1 PCGS ever in 65FS. Yes it would be a golden egg to find one and don't blame one for looking, but unless it is gorgeous then take care.
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I insured it for 5k and sent it Express so there would be no excuses
It’s staining above the N. With what 99.9% of 1970-D’s look like it should eventually end up in someone’s Full Step Holder. The nicest steps I’ve ever seen on a 70-D was an off-center example sold by Heritage a few years ago, which I think is typical of off-center strikes. The steps on 65-70 can’t be judged the same as early Jefferson’s, or there would be no full step examples.
That's a nice one!
But I don't think all their graders are familiar with that area under the 2nd pillar as I have a few where they didn't FS and I have a few they did, It's not a meld, it's just weak/faint in that segment. It's extremely rare when it does strike up but ever so thin, See my 1961 and my PL 1970-D which has a heavy strike-thru on the steps but I like the coin nonetheless. I landed a 4000 coin bag years ago that yielded only 3 near full steppers, sold one.
But when you grow tired of losing money on submissions, send it my way so I can put your coin in better light. With me, the coin needs to be all there considering 1970 was the last year struck by the first master hubs. The steps can not be compromised due to a weak overall strike. It's pointless calling a coin FS when the rest of the coin looks bad. Not yours of course but hopefully the hair and windows look sharper in hand than what the TV shows. Appears to be PL.
Like those double-strikes, one on eBay with 12 steps and the off-center strikes, the steps seem to shine on those types.
Leo
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With the price differential between one with a FS designation and one without, I would not wager any money on it making the grade and designation. After all, only a handful have.
I think it's a bit weak, I wouldn't try again. The steps just are not that full, sorry.
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Just what TOP DOLLAR would you or anyone cough up for a failed FS Jeff? Certainly not anything close to 5 grand, right? Perhaps a 10th of that, $500. But I believe the OP is, at heart, a collector and is not looking to sell. Afterall, this is not the BST forum. If anything, knowing what a failed FS coin may be worth might help offset the number of attempted submissions and save some money.
I made an offer to review the coin, give my opinion, not buy it. I couldn't afford such a coin, designated FS or not. Maybe sending the coin to Bern Nagangast, having his opinion may help manlye's coin to FS.
From the TV, the coin looks PL, MS64-65, perhaps MS66 but it's impossible to make these calls from a photo.
I saw another example at a Chicago show 3-4 years ago that was already in a PCGS MS65 holder, no FS but while the steps looked nice. the steps had a few slight bridges and an overall soft strike. But I offered only $200, he wanted $500. At another show I saw the dealer again, he said he sold it and that it did eventually FS but the pops hadn't moved so was he telling me the truth?
Leo
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The coin looks PL in hand, when comparing to the other FS examples it looks like it has a real shot. The question is how many times were the existing FS 70-D’s submitted. It seems on these extreme rarities after the 60-D debacle it’s much much harder to get one to go. My 1965 FS honestly is weaker than this coin. Different years yes but same hub. Maybe Wondercoin can submit it for me
I don't think the coin qualifies for the FS designation, but what I think matters little. I suspect that someone will eventually get it into a FS holder, not sure if that person will be the op.
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Definitely not an expert, but I don't see that one getting FS.
Weren't the hub details strengthened in 1968, not 1965?
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I think it was in 1967 but for the proof coins only. But yeah, 1968 would have been the first year they applied those retooled strengthened dies for the business strikes. My Jefferson Nickel Analyst book by Bern Nagangast is buried somewhere out in the garage since my last move to verify. But a lot of good that effort did since those years, 1968 to 1970 are still next to impossible to locate.
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