Watch out for vice jobs!

IkesT

https://www.error-ref.com/squeeze-job-or-vice-job-or-garage-job/

A vice job is a coin that has been squeezed or hammered against another coin. This imparts an incuse, mirror-image impression of the other coin. Vice jobs should never be mistaken for true Mint errors, yet people are still getting fooled by them.

A current vice job example from eBay:

Bochiman

Nice spelling in that note..."jewlery" "differnt"

Does "RBI Coins and Jewelry" even exist (I haven't tried looking for it).
If it is a "legit" business, it is very scummy

Fraz

Seller has a knack for finding them.

oih82w8

Kinda reminds of me an advertisement " Antiques made daily".

Manifest_Destiny

@IkesT said:

Fraz

@IkesT said:

Kinda like another TPG “business plan” we saw recently.

Glen2022

Interesting that there is no business name, address, or phone number on the letter of authenticity. Highly suspect.

Crypto

@Glen2022 said:
Interesting that there is no business name, address, or phone number on the letter of authenticity. Highly suspect.

Do you really need to look that deep into it when the concussion is not only intentionally vague but bogus too? Even if it is a real place it isn’t worth the paper it’s written on

dcarr

That bogus letter makes it not just a "vice job", but rather a "Miami Vice Job".

NeophyteNumismatist

A few thoughts:

• I love the "quick notes" footer on plain computer paper
• The misspellings and punctuation errors are great
• No signature on the letter, no address, no contact information of any kind.
• Google searches for the shop or "Robert Ivans Coin Dealer" show no results

and lastly.... no scam sale would be complete without photos of DIRTY FINGERNAILS!!!!!!

mr1931S

What a joke. Fall for that 11 cent piece carp maybe one deserves to be taken.

Smudge

12 bids? Wow.

Some_of_it

And this?

davewesen

that item is not on eBay
sellers closed auctions ->https://ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fss=1&_saslop=1&_sasl=jeffsharaklamarb-6&LH_SpecificSeller=1&LH_Complete=1

lcoopie

What did Donnie Brasco say?

Some_of_it

https://www.ebay.com/itm/386956192940?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=wL0joQgRSRO&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=m4QuvBnHQYC&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

IkesT

@mr1931S said:
What a joke. Fall for that 11 cent piece carp maybe one deserves to be taken.

You were fooled for many months by a fake 1909-S VDB cent, long after everyone told you it was fake. I guess you still haven't learned your lesson. Perhaps if you had received neither a replacement or refund for that coin, you'd be more sympathetic to others in the same situation.

As for the carp, you are truly the King of Carp on this Forum.

lermish

@IkesT I agree we should consider your nominee but I really think we need to put our heads together and get a consensus here.

IkesT

@lermish said:
@IkesT I agree we should consider your nominee but I really think we need to put our heads together and get a consensus here.

TxCollector

Another vice job unless I’m mistaken.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/135347769813

OAKSTAR

Since we're talking about vise jobs... I've always had a question about these "so-called" vise job coins. I need a realty check. @dcarr could answer this.

There's no way "in my opinion" a bench vise (no matter how strong someone is) could inflict this type of damage on a coin. Maybe "vise job" is just a generic term.

Dan- Wouldn't this type of damage require some type of hydraulic press? How many pounds of pressure do you think caused this damage?

mr1931S

@lermish said:
@IkesT I agree we should consider your nominee but I really think we need to put our heads together and get a consensus here.

A consensus about what? That IkeT is a class A jerk? Of course, he is just one of several Class A's that plague this forum so let's be fair to IkesT. We live in a democracy. Well, at least for the time being.

ShaunBC5

6.5mo later?

mr1931S

Perhaps if you had received neither a replacement or refund for that coin, you'd be more sympathetic to others in the same situation.

The dumb thing is not certified is it? You conveniently failed to mention that my SVDB which indeed did turn out to be a counterfeit was in an authentic PCGS holder. Would have fooled many a collector. I owned that piece for three years not thinking anything was wrong with it.

ifthevamzarockin

@mr1931S said:
I owned that piece for three years not thinking anything

I fixed it for you.

mr1931S

Looks like the Class A's are starting to show up

ifthevamzarockin

@mr1931S Are you feeling lonely and needing some negative attention?

goodmoney4badmoney

@TxCollector said:
Another vice job unless I’m mistaken.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/135347769813

You are correct, it is damaged.

Goldbully

@OAKSTAR said:
Since we're talking about vise jobs... I've always had a question about these "so-called" vise job coins. I need a realty check. @dcarr could answer this.

There's no way "in my opinion" a bench vise (no matter how strong someone is) could inflict this type of damage on a coin. Maybe "vise job" is just a generic term.

Dan- Wouldn't this type of damage require some type of hydraulic press? How many pounds of pressure do you think caused this damage?

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TxCollector

@goodmoney4badmoney said:

@TxCollector said:
Another vice job unless I’m mistaken.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/135347769813

You are correct, it is damaged.

I messaged the seller earlier about the incorrect listing but I doubt they’ll take it down.

Edit: The listing was removed. My faith in humanity has been restored to the smallest degree. I’m still skeptical that the dealer who has been in business for around 2 decades and has nearly 5k sales on eBay was unaware it was a fake error.

goodmoney4badmoney

@TxCollector said:

@goodmoney4badmoney said:

@TxCollector said:
Another vice job unless I’m mistaken.

You are correct, it is damaged.

I messaged the seller earlier about the incorrect listing but I doubt they’ll take it down.

Edit: The listing was removed. My faith in humanity has been restored to the smallest degree. I’m still skeptical that the dealer who has been in business for around 2 decades and has nearly 5k sales on eBay was unaware it was a fake error.

I've seen damaged coins being sold as errors many times by established and well known dealers and inside B&M coin shops. Most dealers and most "regular" coin collectors do not know errors very well, but often think they do.

TxCollector

@goodmoney4badmoney said:

@TxCollector said:

@goodmoney4badmoney said:

@TxCollector said:
Another vice job unless I’m mistaken.

You are correct, it is damaged.

I messaged the seller earlier about the incorrect listing but I doubt they’ll take it down.

Edit: The listing was removed. My faith in humanity has been restored to the smallest degree. I’m still skeptical that the dealer who has been in business for around 2 decades and has nearly 5k sales on eBay was unaware it was a fake error.

I've seen damaged coins being sold as errors many times by established and well known dealers and inside B&M coin shops. Most dealers and most "regular" coin collectors do not know errors very well, but often think they do.

I still don't know errors very well but my knowledge has improved thanks to this forum.

goodmoney4badmoney

@TxCollector said:

@goodmoney4badmoney said:

@TxCollector said:

@goodmoney4badmoney said:

@TxCollector said:
Another vice job unless I’m mistaken.

You are correct, it is damaged.

I messaged the seller earlier about the incorrect listing but I doubt they’ll take it down.

Edit: The listing was removed. My faith in humanity has been restored to the smallest degree. I’m still skeptical that the dealer who has been in business for around 2 decades and has nearly 5k sales on eBay was unaware it was a fake error.

I've seen damaged coins being sold as errors many times by established and well known dealers and inside B&M coin shops. Most dealers and most "regular" coin collectors do not know errors very well, but often think they do.

I still don't know errors very well but my knowledge has improved thanks to this forum.

There are some very knowledgeable people that post about errors here, that's for sure.

jmlanzaf

@goodmoney4badmoney said:

@TxCollector said:

@goodmoney4badmoney said:

@TxCollector said:

@goodmoney4badmoney said:

@TxCollector said:
Another vice job unless I’m mistaken.

You are correct, it is damaged.

I messaged the seller earlier about the incorrect listing but I doubt they’ll take it down.

Edit: The listing was removed. My faith in humanity has been restored to the smallest degree. I’m still skeptical that the dealer who has been in business for around 2 decades and has nearly 5k sales on eBay was unaware it was a fake error.

I've seen damaged coins being sold as errors many times by established and well known dealers and inside B&M coin shops. Most dealers and most "regular" coin collectors do not know errors very well, but often think they do.

I still don't know errors very well but my knowledge has improved thanks to this forum.

There are some very knowledgeable people that post about errors here, that's for sure.

We have probably the top 3 in the world: @FredWeinberg , @Byers, Jon Sullivan

CRHer700

@IkesT said:

@mr1931S said:

@lermish said:
@IkesT I agree we should consider your nominee but I really think we need to put our heads together and get a consensus here.

A consensus about what? That IkeT is a class A jerk? Of course, he is just one of several Class A's that plague this forum so let's be fair to IkesT.

You are suffering from low blood sugar and saying harsche things.

Settle down, have a nice harschepuppy sandwich, and you'll feel better.

Not this again.

mr1931S

@ifthevamzarockin said:

@mr1931S said:
I owned that piece for three years not thinking anything

I fixed it for you.

There you go again, altering another's writing with the goal being to establish yourself as this forum's comic hack. Coming up with original comedy material is definitely not your forte.

OAKSTAR

@OAKSTAR said:
Since we're talking about vise jobs... I've always had a question about these "so-called" vise job coins. I need a realty check. @dcarr could answer this.

There's no way "in my opinion" a bench vise (no matter how strong someone is) could inflict this type of damage on a coin. Maybe "vise job" is just a generic term.

Dan- Wouldn't this type of damage require some type of hydraulic press? How many pounds of pressure do you think caused this damage?

@dcarr

ifthevamzarockin

@mr1931S said:
to establish yourself as this forum's comic hack.

I would rather be the forum's comic hack than be the forum's numismatic hack and the village idiot like you.

Vetter

That reminds me of a 3 leg Buffalo I used to have. Ouch

dcarr

@OAKSTAR said:

@OAKSTAR said:
Since we're talking about vise jobs... I've always had a question about these "so-called" vise job coins. I need a realty check. @dcarr could answer this.

There's no way "in my opinion" a bench vise (no matter how strong someone is) could inflict this type of damage on a coin. Maybe "vise job" is just a generic term.

Dan- Wouldn't this type of damage require some type of hydraulic press? How many pounds of pressure do you think caused this damage?

@dcarr

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I think a medium to large size bench vice could easily do that.

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OAKSTAR

@dcarr said:

@OAKSTAR said:

@OAKSTAR said:
Since we're talking about vise jobs... I've always had a question about these "so-called" vise job coins. I need a realty check. @dcarr could answer this.

There's no way "in my opinion" a bench vise (no matter how strong someone is) could inflict this type of damage on a coin. Maybe "vise job" is just a generic term.

Dan- Wouldn't this type of damage require some type of hydraulic press? How many pounds of pressure do you think caused this damage?

@dcarr

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I think a medium to large size bench vice could easily do that.

.

Okay, thank you.

mr1931S

__the village idiot like you.

Some folks just never learn. They don't understand who they're talking to. Comments like this, directed at a person who she or he will never meet in person, me, speaks volumes about the commenter, not so much about me.