It's a genuine cent struck over dime error, commonly referred to as an "11c piece". Extremely cool!
Here is another example. (Not mine)
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Yes, it's called a double denomination error - in this case, a cent struck over a dime. These types of errors can be faked, however, so it should be certified by company such as PCGS.
Appears to be a genuine cent struck over a struck dime. Can you make out the date of either strike? This type of error is typically worth a few hundred dollars if they match, but potentially much more if they do not.
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@johnny9434 said:
I'd say post mint damage, more then likely a vice job, jmo
Is "vice job" a generic term? Because (IMO) there's no way you or I could turn a vice hard enough or strong enough to make an impression for one piece of metal into another. Unless it's some kind of hydraulic press.
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@johnny9434 said:
I'd say post mint damage, more then likely a vice job, jmo
Is "vice job" a generic term? Because (IMO) there's no way you or I could turn a vice hard enough or strong enough to make an impression for one piece of metal into another. Unless it's some kind of hydraulic press.
It's definitely not a vise job, but these double denomination errors do need to be looked at carefully for fakes.
It's definitely not a vise job, but these double denomination errors do need to be looked at carefully for fakes.
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I was really just interested in the term "vice job" and if it was just a generic term.
It's a term for any coin that has an impression of another coin because the two coins were squeezed or hammered together. Yes, that will leave an impression. Here's an example of a vise job:
@Saam said:
Doesn't look right to me. The top picture shows a dime design over a cent & the second picture shows a cent design over a dime.
This is an excellent point. Unless we're looking at the photos wrong.
At first I was thinking it was genuine yet upon closer inspection Saam has a good point.
@Saam said:
Doesn't look right to me. The top picture shows a dime design over a cent & the second picture shows a cent design over a dime.
This is an excellent point. Unless we're looking at the photos wrong.
At first I was thinking it was genuine yet upon closer inspection Saam has a good point.
There is more detail of the dime showing on the obverse than I would expect, as if it was weakly struck by the cent die. A weak strike can be one of the indications of a fake.
Come on folks! The OP's pictures are 100% unquestionably legit. A very nice (and valuable) double denomination error.
Vice job is not a generic term. You absolutely can transfer design elements from one coin to another with a normal bench top vice. There's no way to prove a vice was used in any specific case instead of some other sort of damage. But some vice Jobs are truly vice jobs.
As stated by all those who know above – it’s legit
Looks like there might be some rim flattening on the right side from a counting machine
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I'd say post mint damage, more then likely a vice job, jmo
It's a genuine cent struck over dime error, commonly referred to as an "11c piece". Extremely cool!
Here is another example. (Not mine)
Member of Early American Coppers (EAC), American Numismatic Association (ANA), and Missouri Numismatic Society (MNS). Specializing in early American copper by die variety.
Nice error. Did you find it?
Yes, it's called a double denomination error - in this case, a cent struck over a dime. These types of errors can be faked, however, so it should be certified by company such as PCGS.
Appears to be a genuine cent struck over a struck dime. Can you make out the date of either strike? This type of error is typically worth a few hundred dollars if they match, but potentially much more if they do not.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Is "vice job" a generic term? Because (IMO) there's no way you or I could turn a vice hard enough or strong enough to make an impression for one piece of metal into another. Unless it's some kind of hydraulic press.
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
It's definitely not a vise job, but these double denomination errors do need to be looked at carefully for fakes.
@FredWeinberg - What do you think of the OP coin?
Doesn't look right to me. The top picture shows a dime design over a cent & the second picture shows a cent design over a dime.
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I was really just interested in the term "vice job" and if it was just a generic term.
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
It's a term for any coin that has an impression of another coin because the two coins were squeezed or hammered together. Yes, that will leave an impression. Here's an example of a vise job:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/204756964838
This is an excellent point. Unless we're looking at the photos wrong.
At first I was thinking it was genuine yet upon closer inspection Saam has a good point.
peacockcoins
There is more detail of the dime showing on the obverse than I would expect, as if it was weakly struck by the cent die. A weak strike can be one of the indications of a fake.
Come on folks! The OP's pictures are 100% unquestionably legit. A very nice (and valuable) double denomination error.
Vice job is not a generic term. You absolutely can transfer design elements from one coin to another with a normal bench top vice. There's no way to prove a vice was used in any specific case instead of some other sort of damage. But some vice Jobs are truly vice jobs.
The OP's example is not a vice job. Not a chance.
100% legit. Cent struck over dime.
Even if the incredible hulk viced two coins together the impression would be reversed and concave.
As stated by all those who know above – it’s legit
Looks like there might be some rim flattening on the right side from a counting machine
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