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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,340 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd say post mint damage, more then likely a vice job, jmo

  • Coins4EliCoins4Eli Posts: 25 ✭✭
    edited April 23, 2024 3:35PM

    It's a genuine cent struck over dime error, commonly referred to as an "11c piece". Extremely cool! :)

    Here is another example. (Not mine)

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  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,100 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice error. Did you find it?

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, it's called a double denomination error - in this case, a cent struck over a dime. These types of errors can be faked, however, so it should be certified by company such as PCGS.

  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,659 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Appears to be a genuine cent struck over a struck dime. Can you make out the date of either strike? This type of error is typically worth a few hundred dollars if they match, but potentially much more if they do not.

    Sean Reynolds

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @johnny9434 said:
    I'd say post mint damage, more then likely a vice job, jmo

    Is "vice job" a generic term? Because (IMO) there's no way you or I could turn a vice hard enough or strong enough to make an impression for one piece of metal into another. Unless it's some kind of hydraulic press.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @johnny9434 said:
    I'd say post mint damage, more then likely a vice job, jmo

    Is "vice job" a generic term? Because (IMO) there's no way you or I could turn a vice hard enough or strong enough to make an impression for one piece of metal into another. Unless it's some kind of hydraulic press.

    It's definitely not a vise job, but these double denomination errors do need to be looked at carefully for fakes.

    @FredWeinberg - What do you think of the OP coin?

  • SaamSaam Posts: 554 ✭✭✭

    Doesn't look right to me. The top picture shows a dime design over a cent & the second picture shows a cent design over a dime.

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @IkesT said:

    It's definitely not a vise job, but these double denomination errors do need to be looked at carefully for fakes.

    >

    I was really just interested in the term "vice job" and if it was just a generic term.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @IkesT said:

    It's definitely not a vise job, but these double denomination errors do need to be looked at carefully for fakes.

    >

    I was really just interested in the term "vice job" and if it was just a generic term.

    It's a term for any coin that has an impression of another coin because the two coins were squeezed or hammered together. Yes, that will leave an impression. Here's an example of a vise job:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/204756964838

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,006 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Saam said:
    Doesn't look right to me. The top picture shows a dime design over a cent & the second picture shows a cent design over a dime.

    This is an excellent point. Unless we're looking at the photos wrong.
    At first I was thinking it was genuine yet upon closer inspection Saam has a good point.

    peacockcoins

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:

    @Saam said:
    Doesn't look right to me. The top picture shows a dime design over a cent & the second picture shows a cent design over a dime.

    This is an excellent point. Unless we're looking at the photos wrong.
    At first I was thinking it was genuine yet upon closer inspection Saam has a good point.

    There is more detail of the dime showing on the obverse than I would expect, as if it was weakly struck by the cent die. A weak strike can be one of the indications of a fake.

  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 3,590 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Come on folks! The OP's pictures are 100% unquestionably legit. A very nice (and valuable) double denomination error.

    Vice job is not a generic term. You absolutely can transfer design elements from one coin to another with a normal bench top vice. There's no way to prove a vice was used in any specific case instead of some other sort of damage. But some vice Jobs are truly vice jobs.

    The OP's example is not a vice job. Not a chance.

  • LiquidatedLiquidated Posts: 305 ✭✭✭✭

    100% legit. Cent struck over dime.

    Even if the incredible hulk viced two coins together the impression would be reversed and concave.

  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,827 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As stated by all those who know above – it’s legit

    Looks like there might be some rim flattening on the right side from a counting machine

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors
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