Do double clash marks on a coin prove it was struck twice?

Saam

While recently trying to decide which of my coins I was going to send for grading, I noticed a broadstruck Lincoln had double clash marks. Does this alone confirm the coin was struck twice or just that the die that struck the coin had two sets of clash marks? Both the obverse and reverse both show the double clash marks, but this is the best picture I could get.

JBK

Clash marks have nothing to do with how many times a coin was struck. They show that the dies came together without a planchet in between them.

1madman

How about the possibility of counterclashed dies?

CRHer700

This means that the dies hit together more than once, not hit the coin more than once.

Married2Coins

@1madman said:
How about the possibility of counterclashed dies?

What is that?

1madman

@Married2Coins said:

@1madman said:
How about the possibility of counterclashed dies?

What is that?

I will quote Mike Diamond on how to describe counterclashed dies:

A counterclash will feature a raised, normally-oriented version of a design feature. The extra elements may be in a very distant location if the die struck a previously struck hard object. In the case of a counterclash caused by a double, staggered clash, there will be close doubling.

-- Mike Diamond

Saam

@JBK said:
Clash marks have nothing to do with how many times a coin was struck. They show that the dies came together without a planchet in between them.

If the die that struck this coin had previously come together and created a clash mark and then shifted and created a second clash mark on the same die, wouldn't a coin struck with that die show two clash marks? Since I don't see any other evidence of this coin being a double strike, is it possible a die with one clash mark struck this coin twice or would the two scenarios look different?

jayPem

@1madman said:

@Married2Coins said:

@1madman said:
How about the possibility of counterclashed dies?

What is that?

I will quote Mike Diamond on how to describe counterclashed dies:

A counterclash will feature a raised, normally-oriented version of a design feature. The extra elements may be in a very distant location if the die struck a previously struck hard object. In the case of a counterclash caused by a double, staggered clash, there will be close doubling.

-- Mike Diamond

I don't think MikeD ever said that.

1madman

@jayPem said:

@1madman said:

@Married2Coins said:

@1madman said:
How about the possibility of counterclashed dies?

What is that?

I will quote Mike Diamond on how to describe counterclashed dies:

A counterclash will feature a raised, normally-oriented version of a design feature. The extra elements may be in a very distant location if the die struck a previously struck hard object. In the case of a counterclash caused by a double, staggered clash, there will be close doubling.

-- Mike Diamond

I don't think MikeD ever said that.

Taken directly from this post:

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/5750853#Comment_5750853

Mike eloquently describes errors much better than I can

jayPem

Oops, wrong Mike Diamond.. I thought you meant

"The Mike stands for money and the D is for Diamond.."

Saam

Two months later, here is the TruView of this coin. Although I am happy with the TV, I forgot to select "variety" so it was only graded as Broadstruck. Any guesses on its grade?

CRHer700

65RD

Saam

Correct! LOL