I know it’s a token but, the envelope is so darn cool!
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I don't understand. Why is the envelope special?
It's written in cursive and future generations won't be able to read it.
Also, it was written and signed by Charles Lindbergh.
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Let me just say it too. If some unknown individual puts their whatever it is into an envelope years ago and writes on the envelope what it is that now has become a collectible over the item stored in the envelope. And no matter how illegible the writing is or how torn up the envelope is it also makes no difference?
My apologies for posting @jmlanzaf , i appreciate original collection envelopes, thought perhaps that other collectors might enjoy them as well. I’ll refrain from now on..
It's not signed by Lindbergh. That's not his signature.
Don't be a hot head. I was literally asking why it was "special" because I didn't understand why it might be. If you like it, that's fine. If you want to post it. I don't care.
But, respectfully, that envelope might be 10 years old. I don't see any evidence that it is antique or even "original".
I can also opine that it could have been written yesterday and made to look old. However I don't doubt that it was written in 1927, it just has the look from the style of writing to the type of ink and the badly worn envelope. But I can definitely go out on the limb and easily say it is a description written in cursive where as the name Charles Lindberg is part of the cursive description and not his signature, that much is pretty obvious at least to my eyes
I doubt it was made in 1927. That's part of the description of the medal. His flight was in 1927. The price, which i believe is the final line, suggests a later date.
But, again, I mean no disrespect to the OP. I just really didn't understand what he was so excited about based on what I took it to be: a mid to late 20th century envelope with no clear provenance. I just thought I was missing something. Maybe I am. I don't know.
Curve ball: I think it's written in Norwegian or Swedish (Atlantflygning?), so the 10.- price might be Norwegian or Swedish Krone.
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My bad, I agree not written in 1927, just part of the description again. Its an older envelope not doubt, how old is the question
Good catch
Swedish, certainly. "1:a" is the Swedish equivalent of the English abbreviation "1st"; it's short for "första". In Norwegian, that would be spelled "første". "10:-" (with a colon) is also the format for writing prices in Sweden, but not in Norway. So whoever and whenever it was written, we know the "wherever" was Sweden, and the "10:-" was the price in Swedish kronor.
In 1927, there were just under 4 kronor to the US dollar; the krona gradually weakened throughout the 20th century and now there are about 10 kronor to the US dollar. The krona still exists; although Sweden is a member of the EU, it is not part of the Eurozone so does not use euro coinage.
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Interesting. $2.50 (equivalent) is possible, I suppose, although it still seems high for the 1920s for a base metal token. But it could be.
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I like that kind of thing, I believe it was with the medal most of its life, cooler together than just the medal
a good thing ya got yourself 2windy, congrats
Original ephemera can be critically important to an item's provenance. Sometimes it's "as issued" and other times it's from a later collector/dealer.
In some cases it's the only "proof" of an item's origin. (I'm thinking about coins flattened by funeral trains of famous people where a notation on an envelope provides the historical context).
The OP's envelope ties the medal to Sweden, which is a reminder that Lindbergh's flight was an international sensation. The writing is in fountain pen, and although widespread use of those continued in Europe after they became less-used in the US, it probably supports the idea that the envelope is atleast somewhat vintage.
@2windy2fish: if you think it’s cool, that’s all that matters. Enjoy….
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Comparing actual signatures to this envelope. He seemed to add his middle initial A also...notice the 7 is also not matching.
Although Charles Lindbergh probably couldn't read, write or speak Swedish, there is a national connection: Lindbergh's father emigrated to America from Sweden as a child.
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Apparently I have been awarded one DPOTD.
And the 'h' at the end of his name is missing.
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Not to be confused with the Charles Lindberg (no H), who was one of the participants of the lesser-known first flag raising at Iwo Jima.
These are easy enough to find in XF or AU and even Uncs aren't scarce but I sure don't remember seeing any that looked like this.
Just to be clear, it is quite obvious the signature isn't a match nor is the date