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Should women athletes get paid more?

doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 23,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 16, 2024 4:32AM in Sports Talk

Looking at Caitlin Clark's contract here, seems a bit low for the best female basketball player in the world and one of the biggest stars in the sports universe.

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  • stevekstevek Posts: 28,991 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That money does seem quite low in this day and age for a #1 draft pick, even for the WNBA.

  • 1948_Swell_Robinson1948_Swell_Robinson Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 16, 2024 6:49AM

    Ice Cube offered her a lot of money to play in his league.

    That is a rookie deal. Top WNBA salaries are between $220,000-$250,000.

    That is not too shabby and seems in line when you consider the league only averages 6,600 fans per game...and who knows how many of those tickets are comped.

    If fans want them to make more, then go to the games more.

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    the attendance for WNBA games is abysmal. I dont know what their tv contract looks like but those 2 things are what generally will determine contracts.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • bgrbgr Posts: 1,704 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I thought WNBA rookie contracts were fixed by the league. The WNBA isn't making money so it will be a while before they can adjust salary caps to reflect the talent of any individuals. There is actually line of sight to WNBA profitability though so...

  • stevekstevek Posts: 28,991 ✭✭✭✭✭

    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/wnba-draft-winners-and-losers-as-you-may-have-guessed-the-fever-did-pretty-well-the-liberty-perhaps-not-034003246.html

    WNBA Draft winners and losers: As you may have guessed, the Fever did pretty well. The Liberty? Perhaps not

    I apologize in advance for posting this.

  • 4Boston4Boston Posts: 318 ✭✭✭

    The WNBA is a joke.
    Women’s professional soccer is a joke.
    Absolutely no revenue to pay these ladies who love to play.
    They should be grateful they’re even making that much.

  • pdoidoipdoidoi Posts: 656 ✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    If they are not happy with the salaries they are free to do something else

    Maybe they need much better marketing.

  • 4Boston4Boston Posts: 318 ✭✭✭

    @pdoidoi said:

    @perkdog said:
    If they are not happy with the salaries they are free to do something else

    Maybe they need much better marketing.

    You’d have a much better chance of marketing firewood in Florida in July.

  • estangestang Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭
    edited April 16, 2024 9:30AM

    Yes.

    The NBA should shed some of their overblown NBA contracts and trickle the money down to the WNBA. In essence, subsidize the WNBA better as there's plenty of money sitting on the benches of NBA rosters across the league.

    Perhaps they negotiate their media deals better with the major networks as they have become a "throw-in" for ESPN and they are benefiting from it.

    Imagine if they had a draft for entry level accounting jobs out of college across Fortune 500 companies - because that's about the same salaries as these young women are getting - and it's being televised.

    Doesn't add up.

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  • 4Boston4Boston Posts: 318 ✭✭✭

    @estang said:
    Yes.

    The NBA should shed some of their overblown NBA contracts and trickle the money down to the WNBA. In essence, subsidize the WNBA better as there's plenty of money sitting on the benches of NBA rosters across the league.

    Perhaps they negotiate their media deals better with the major networks as they have become a "throw-in" for ESPN and they are benefiting from it.

    Imagine if they had a draft for entry level accounting jobs out of college across Fortune 500 companies - because that's about the same salaries as these young women are getting - and it's being televised.

    Doesn't add up.

    The NBA began a long time ago and has slowly built their product into a nice entity.

    The women need to earn their keep the same way the men did.

    Businesses rise and fall based on how well they sell their products.

    If the NBA invests in the WNBA then they gain shares of the league, but I doubt they will.

  • stevekstevek Posts: 28,991 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The WNBA was founded in 1996. That's almost 30 years ago. If it was to become popular, it would have done so by now.

    I think it will likely continue to languish with a fringe audience.

  • It's a "You cannot educate consumers" problem.
    If they are having to tell people to go to WMBA games, they won't. The only way people are going to go to the WMBA games is if they want to and get value from them. Until then the issue will remain.

    The substantial truth doctrine is an important defense in defamation law that allows individuals to avoid liability if the gist of their statement was true.

  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,833 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:

    If they are not happy with the salaries they are free to do something else

    this, all day

    quick, raise your hand if you have felt underpaid at some point in your working career. after every single one of you is done lowering your grubby little paw, now think about the proper course of action that was required to remedy the situation. was it incessant kvetching? or was it grabbing the bull by the horns and hitting the job market hard in an attempt to find an employer that is willing to pay you what you feel you're worth?

    really grinds my gears when i hear people bellyaching about not being paid enough, because eotd no one is putting a loaded gun to your head to prevent you from shaking things up yourself to create the change you feel you deserve

    you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,448 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Rookie contracts are rookie contracts. Clark is the biggest thing to happen to the WNBA probably ever, they already changed venues in anticipation of attendance to see her. Even with her after a couple years the hype will likely fade no matter what she does with the college aspect of fandom no longer relevant. League salaries should be set off what the league makes. The WNBA would have stopped existing long ago if the NBA wasnt supporting it.

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    women generally do not pay to watch sporting events unless they are attending with family/husband etc. Men are not going to pay to watch womens professional basketball. it is a terrible product and is unwatchable as compared to the mens game.

    had they not been subsidized by the NBA, the WNBA would have died on the vine 20 years ago.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • bgrbgr Posts: 1,704 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 16, 2024 1:33PM

    Technically the NBA was subsidized when it was formed and it didn't pass the WNBA in inflation-adjusted revenue until after the BAA was over 30 years old. But I agree... Women are the worst! Haha

    These topics sure do seem mean-spirited.

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bgr said:
    Technically the NBA was subsidized when it was formed and it didn't pass the WNBA in inflation-adjusted revenue until after the BAA was over 30 years old. But I agree... Women are the worst! Haha

    These topics sure do seem mean-spirited.

    what do you consider mean spirited?

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • bgrbgr Posts: 1,704 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:

    @bgr said:
    Technically the NBA was subsidized when it was formed and it didn't pass the WNBA in inflation-adjusted revenue until after the BAA was over 30 years old. But I agree... Women are the worst! Haha

    These topics sure do seem mean-spirited.

    what do you consider mean spirited?

    Tabasco in my Whiskey. ;)

  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,061 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 17, 2024 5:13PM

    @stevek said:
    The WNBA was founded in 1996. That's almost 30 years ago. If it was to become popular, it would have done so by now.

    I think it will likely continue to languish with a fringe audience.

    The NBA was founded in 1946. In 1981, the Finals were aired on tape delay starting at 11:30pm.

    By your logic, the NBA should never have gotten popular.

  • stevekstevek Posts: 28,991 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tabe said:

    @stevek said:
    The WNBA was founded in 1996. That's almost 30 years ago. If it was to become popular, it would have done so by now.

    I think it will likely continue to languish with a fringe audience.

    The NBA was founded in 1946. In 1981, the Finals were aired on tape delay starting at 11:30pm.

    By your logic, the NBA should never have gotten population.

    @Tabe said:

    @stevek said:
    The WNBA was founded in 1996. That's almost 30 years ago. If it was to become popular, it would have done so by now.

    I think it will likely continue to languish with a fringe audience.

    The NBA was founded in 1946. In 1981, the Finals were aired on tape delay starting at 11:30pm.

    By your logic, the NBA should never have gotten population.

    Now think it thru just a little bit, okay? In 1946, not many households had TV sets. Those who did just got only one or a few channels. By 1996, well you already know, I don't think I need to explain cable, the beginning of the internet, etc, I think you've got it figured out.

  • TheGoonies1985TheGoonies1985 Posts: 5,471 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 16, 2024 10:03PM

    Go watch Bill Burr's stand up on women's sports then you will understand.

  • 4Boston4Boston Posts: 318 ✭✭✭
    edited April 17, 2024 12:24AM

    @bgr said:

    These topics sure do seem mean-spirited.

  • 4Boston4Boston Posts: 318 ✭✭✭
    edited April 17, 2024 1:18AM

    @bgr said:
    Technically the NBA was subsidized when it was formed and it didn't pass the WNBA in inflation-adjusted revenue until after the BAA was over 30 years old.

    The NBA was formed a few years after the Great Depression ended in 1939.

    America was not an economic super power like we are today.
    By the end of the 1950’s through the 1960’s we became a little more wealthy.

    Yours and my generation will see the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of mankind when the Warren Buffett generation passes away.

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bgr said:

    @craig44 said:

    @bgr said:
    Technically the NBA was subsidized when it was formed and it didn't pass the WNBA in inflation-adjusted revenue until after the BAA was over 30 years old. But I agree... Women are the worst! Haha

    These topics sure do seem mean-spirited.

    what do you consider mean spirited?

    Tabasco in my Whiskey. ;)

    cute, but you didnt answer the question.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • stevekstevek Posts: 28,991 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @4Boston said:

    @bgr said:
    Technically the NBA was subsidized when it was formed and it didn't pass the WNBA in inflation-adjusted revenue until after the BAA was over 30 years old.

    The NBA was formed a few years after the Great Depression ended in 1939.

    America was not an economic super power like we are today.
    By the end of the 1950’s through the 1960’s we became a little more wealthy.

    Yours and my generation will see the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of mankind when the Warren Buffett generation passes away.

    In my will, I just left all my money, what little I have, to China and Mexico. I figure it would help out our government saving some time on the paperwork.

    As far as my coins and cards, I'm taking them with me. I figure if King Tut could do it, so can I. 😎

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,117 ✭✭✭✭✭

    WNBA attendance and TV ratings and revenue would go up in the players all looked like a certain LSU gymnast, or some else who won the genetic lottery (as far as physical attractiveness goes).

    If you can play and if you also have been blessed with movie star looks you will command the attention of the general public.

  • 4Boston4Boston Posts: 318 ✭✭✭

    Even the lightly clad womens tackle football league ended.
    These girls had 2/3rds of their bodies showing.

  • 4Boston4Boston Posts: 318 ✭✭✭

    @stevek said:

    @4Boston said:

    @bgr said:
    Technically the NBA was subsidized when it was formed and it didn't pass the WNBA in inflation-adjusted revenue until after the BAA was over 30 years old.

    The NBA was formed a few years after the Great Depression ended in 1939.

    America was not an economic super power like we are today.
    By the end of the 1950’s through the 1960’s we became a little more wealthy.

    Yours and my generation will see the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of mankind when the Warren Buffett generation passes away.

    In my will, I just left all my money, what little I have, to China and Mexico. I figure it would help out our government saving some time on the paperwork.

    As far as my coins and cards, I'm taking them with me. I figure if King Tut could do it, so can I. 😎

    Please inform the board of your burial site so we can come to “pay our respect”………

  • stevekstevek Posts: 28,991 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @4Boston said:

    @stevek said:

    @4Boston said:

    @bgr said:
    Technically the NBA was subsidized when it was formed and it didn't pass the WNBA in inflation-adjusted revenue until after the BAA was over 30 years old.

    The NBA was formed a few years after the Great Depression ended in 1939.

    America was not an economic super power like we are today.
    By the end of the 1950’s through the 1960’s we became a little more wealthy.

    Yours and my generation will see the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of mankind when the Warren Buffett generation passes away.

    In my will, I just left all my money, what little I have, to China and Mexico. I figure it would help out our government saving some time on the paperwork.

    As far as my coins and cards, I'm taking them with me. I figure if King Tut could do it, so can I. 😎

    Please inform the board of your burial site so we can come to “pay our respect”………

    I don't want no grave robbing, ya hear?

    Probably in around 5,000 years, the cards and plastic will totally disintegrate. But I figure I should get at least a couple million years of enjoyment from the coins. 😆

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,291 ✭✭✭✭✭

    She is a player. Her endorsements pay her more than nearly all NFL or NBA player contracts. Aside from the WNBA, it's already been said : attendance is the determinant. If you're playing for the door, better bring in millions. DEI ? Join the Globetrotters

  • coolstanleycoolstanley Posts: 2,867 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They should take up tennis. Female pro tennis players are millionaire's.

    Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!

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  • VikingDudeVikingDude Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭

    Here is some perspective (I heard this on KFAN the other day): the 3 top NBA Mascots make more than the top WNBA players.

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @VikingDude said:
    Here is some perspective (I heard this on KFAN the other day): the 3 top NBA Mascots make more than the top WNBA players.

    I imagine those mascots are performing before WAY more fans than the WNBA players are. its all about the fans in the seats and the television deals.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,448 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nuggets mascot earned it. Poor thing passed out being lowered from the ceiling

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFVruBvjNl0

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  • TheGoonies1985TheGoonies1985 Posts: 5,471 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 20, 2024 1:15PM

    I mean if there is no demand for a sport why would the players male or female get paid more than what they bring in? WNBA is simply not popular it is what it is.

    I will never watch the WNBA it is not my problem they are boring to watch I rather watch what I find interesting simple as that.

    Women do not support women's sports much on the other hand men do support male sports much much more. Women have other interest like Bill Burr said like Real housewives of America they seem to like that drama much more than tuning into a regular schedule of the WNBA. Again if women do not support women's sports it it not my problem as a man.

    Let it fail as a league that is capitalism.

  • bgrbgr Posts: 1,704 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That’s a Marxist view of Capitalism. Watch field of dreams again. Haha.

  • TheGoonies1985TheGoonies1985 Posts: 5,471 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bgr said:
    That’s a Marxist view of Capitalism. Watch field of dreams again. Haha.

    Capitalism = if there is demand it will last if not it will fade away as such things should be so new things can be created over those that have failed.

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