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Hello, I am requesting assistance identifying this saloon coin that was made from an 1877 Mexican 50 peso piece. I tried Google but can find no record of “Britton’s Saloon and Wine Room”. Based on the date of the coin, I’m wondering if this is worth anything beyond the silver melt price. Thank you in advance.

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2024 4:02PM

    Are you taking photos with a smartphone? If so, you can zoom in before taking the photo to get closer, and also crop it.

    If it can be reasonably established that it is s period piece, it is certainly worth more than melt.

    P.S. - I see now that "Wine Room" is upside down.

  • PapaLegacyPapaLegacy Posts: 8
    edited April 10, 2024 4:23PM

    @JBK said:
    Are you taking photos with a smartphone? If so, you can zoom in before taking the photo to get closer, and also crop it.

    If it can be reasonably established that it is s period piece, it is certainly worth more than melt.

    P.S. - I see now that "Wine Room" is upside down.

    Thanks for the info. Yes, this photo was taken on my iPad. Hopefully this one is better. Also, can you provide more info on what the s period is? I’m not familiar with the term.

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2024 4:34PM

    @PapaLegacy said:

    @JBK said:
    Are you taking photos with a smartphone? If so, you can zoom in before taking the photo to get closer, and also crop it.

    If it can be reasonably established that it is s period piece, it is certainly worth more than melt.

    P.S. - I see now that "Wine Room" is upside down.

    Thanks for the info. Yes, this photo was taken on my iPad. Hopefully this one is better. Also, can you provide more info on what the s period is? I’m not familiar with the term.

    Sorry...meant "a period piece", or from the era it purports to be from, which in this case is presumably the late 1800s.

    Yes, that photo is much better, as I can enlarge it even more on my phone.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,356 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This appears to be what is commonly called a "love token" where one side of a coin is planed down and a message or sometimes a picture is engraved and then it is given as a gift. In this case, the bar owner may have commissioned this piece to give to a valued employee who is retiring or is getting married or who knows what. The style of the engraving would indicate that it was created in the late 1800's.

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  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 6,899 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a cool piece. I bet it would bring over $50 on ebay due to the subject matter.

  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,547 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very cool and interesting piece!

  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 3,654 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Manifest_Destiny said:
    That's a cool piece. I bet it would bring over $50 on ebay due to the subject matter.

    I think that's a VERY safe bet

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,349 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Neat piece!
    BTW, assuming that that is about the size of a half dollar, it would be a "50 Centavos" piece not a "50 Pesos."

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  • jacrispiesjacrispies Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Strange how the words of the engraving are upside down from each other. Never seen that before. I don't recognize any purpose for utilizing that unusual orientation.

    Great subject matter, anything with "saloon" dated to the 1800s has following no matter the medium.

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  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:
    Are you taking photos with a smartphone? If so, you can zoom in before taking the photo to get closer, and also crop it.

    If it can be reasonably established that it is s period piece, it is certainly worth more than melt.

    P.S. - I see now that "Wine Room" is upside down.

    The small green piece of ? Is missing in the bigger second photo 👀

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,090 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Possibly the engraver had setup issues that only allowed them to rotate the coin for engraving and could not engrave lower on the item. Just a thought.
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  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,069 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Btw, there was an infamous former Texas ranger by that name, who had a saloon. Peace Roy

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  • Thank you everyone for the very helpful information.

    @lcoopie said:

    @JBK said:
    Are you taking photos with a smartphone? If so, you can zoom in before taking the photo to get closer, and also crop it.

    If it can be reasonably established that it is s period piece, it is certainly worth more than melt.

    P.S. - I see now that "Wine Room" is upside down.

    The small green piece of ? Is missing in the bigger second photo 👀

    Whoops, that’s a piece of lettuce.

    @Namvet69 said:
    Btw, there was an infamous former Texas ranger by that name, who had a saloon. Peace Roy

    Thank you for this. I’m doing some research based on this info.

  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd guess that it's a pass for the wine room at Britton's Saloon. There are four establishments that seem like possibilities, one in NY another in CA and the other two in the mid-west.

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,570 ✭✭✭✭✭

    yes, it is an interesting coin/coin, i like

  • PapaLegacyPapaLegacy Posts: 8
    edited April 12, 2024 1:34PM

    @sellitstore said:
    I'd guess that it's a pass for the wine room at Britton's Saloon. There are four establishments that seem like possibilities, one in NY another in CA and the other two in the mid-west.

    Thank you for the information. Can you provide further details on these saloons? I found this coin in a town near San Francisco, so the saloon located in CA comes to mind.

  • zrnumismaticszrnumismatics Posts: 116 ✭✭✭

    California is the most likely because it's a Mexican coin.
    Probably photos in this museum archive.
    https://archives.santacruzmah.org/guides/photograph-collection/

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,074 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @zrnumismatics said:
    California is the most likely because it's a Mexican coin.
    Probably photos in this museum archive.
    https://archives.santacruzmah.org/guides/photograph-collection/

    Maybe, although Mexican coins circulated throughout the US in the mid 19th. By 1877 or later, less so.

  • PapaLegacyPapaLegacy Posts: 8
    edited April 12, 2024 1:33PM

    @zrnumismatics said:
    California is the most likely because it's a Mexican coin.
    Probably photos in this museum archive.
    https://archives.santacruzmah.org/guides/photograph-collection/

    Wow! Thank you so much. I don’t know how you found that information, but this is incredible. That archive has record of Britton’s Saloon including 7 photos and possibly more information. I’m working with an archive staff member to get the details.

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