Scarface is my fav Morgan please GTG why don't you...Grade posted on top

RobertScotLover

MS62 ohh anacs. The what appears to be a longish scrape on the obv @4 is not as bad as the photo depicts, rather minor blemish thank goodness. I thought it was at min a definite ms63 with a possibility that it could garner a possible ms64. But ms63 seems very reasonable to rest my hat on. And I believe most here also thought it could be a ms63 via photos of course

Mr_Spud

64

jesbroken

Is that a VAM 1B4? Nice looking VAM. I'll gtg as MS63.
Jim

Smudge

63

TPRC

3

RobertScotLover

@jesbroken said:
Is that a VAM 1B4? Nice looking VAM. I'll gtg as MS63.
Jim

Affirmative, thanks

lermish

64

JW77

64

johnny9434

63 here

jp84

63

Typekat

i’m guessing 63,
maybe +?
Nice coin!

relicsncoins

63 or 64 depending on that mark in the field.

cmerlo1

63

mikee999

I’d grade it Banged Up

jfriedm56

I’m thinking Vam 1B4 H-10 terminal die state MS 63. Really nice true Scarface! Love your coin. Congratulations.

coinkat

Simply an amazing coin for the type. These are a challenge to grade. 63 seems to be the floor. While the strike for the date and type is exceptional, one really has to ask about expectations for this VAM. I see it as exceeding expectations even though it was likely dipped at some point. The obverse field... at least in the image... is problematic in terms of getting 64. I see this on the short side of 64 but 63+ would be my grade.

asheland

63 here. Super cool!

johnny010

63

CascadeChris

Legend has it that Jeff Oxman had a roll of these at a Long Beach show in the late 90s and was selling them at $100 a pop.

Also, many of these H-10 vLDS Scarfaces with their original skin still attached tend to have a neat red circle tab toning pattern on the reverse.

RobertScotLover

@jesbroken said:
Is that a VAM 1B4? Nice looking VAM. I'll gtg as MS63.
Jim

Affirmative, thanks> @CascadeChris said:

Legend has it that Jeff Oxman had a roll of these at a Long Beach show in the late 90s and was selling them at $100 a pop.

Also, many of these H-10 vLDS Scarfaces with their original skin still attached tend to have a neat red circle tab toning pattern on the reverse.

If legend is correct that would amount to 20 dollars. I wasn't there but 20 sounds pretty unbelievable but what do I know

Manifest_Destiny

63

oih82w8

My favorite Morgan variety as well. MS63

privatecoin

63

Walkerfan

MS 63

What a great and rare die variety!! The die break is very profound on that one, making it very sought after.

Thank you for sharing it.

DCW

I will go MS 62PL. Very nice!

Typekat

@CascadeChris

I ran into that Scarface with ‘neat red circle tab toning on the reverse’ twice in my coin shop career.

Circa the 1970s, there was a popularly marketed set of mint state Morgan Dollars sold, one each of the dates 1878-1889. The coins were displayed face-up in a wooden tray, with a hole drilled for each dollar. Underneath each coin was a little velvet-tipped wood support to hold the coin in place.

The velvet pad left a small tinted circle on the back of each coin. Twice we found 1888-o ‘Scarface’ varieties in these sets, and both graded MS62.

Interested folks can search Heritage’s archives of past sale of Scarfaces, to see some specimens with that tinted circle.

Whoever promoted and put together those year sets probably got a good deal buying a quantity of those lustrous but un-pretty 1888-o’s. They fit right in with the other baggy mint state coins in the set.

And, no doubt there are still more of those sets out in the wild….

blitzdude

62, RGDS!

CascadeChris

@Typekat said:
@CascadeChris

I ran into that Scarface with ‘neat red circle tab toning on the reverse’ twice in my coin shop career.

Circa the 1970s, there was a popularly marketed set of mint state Morgan Dollars sold, one each of the dates 1878-1889. The coins were displayed face-up in a wooden tray, with a hole drilled for each dollar. Underneath each coin was a little velvet-tipped wood support to hold the coin in place.

The velvet pad left a small tinted circle on the back of each coin. Twice we found 1888-o ‘Scarface’ varieties in these sets, and both graded MS62.

Interested folks can search Heritage’s archives of past sale of Scarfaces, to see some specimens with that tinted circle.

Whoever promoted and put together those year sets probably got a good deal buying a quantity of those lustrous but un-pretty 1888-o’s. They fit right in with the other baggy mint state coins in the set.

And, no doubt there are still more of those sets out in the wild….

@messydesk

yspsales

63

Maybe my favorite Morgan Dollar

messydesk

@CascadeChris said:
Legend has it that Jeff Oxman had a roll of these at a Long Beach show in the late 90s and was selling them at $100 a pop.

Also, many of these H-10 vLDS Scarfaces with their original skin still attached tend to have a neat red circle tab toning pattern on the reverse.

It was late 80s or early 90s, otherwise I'd have ended up with at least one.

messydesk

@Typekat said:
@CascadeChris

I ran into that Scarface with ‘neat red circle tab toning on the reverse’ twice in my coin shop career.

Circa the 1970s, there was a popularly marketed set of mint state Morgan Dollars sold, one each of the dates 1878-1889. The coins were displayed face-up in a wooden tray, with a hole drilled for each dollar. Underneath each coin was a little velvet-tipped wood support to hold the coin in place.

The velvet pad left a small tinted circle on the back of each coin. Twice we found 1888-o ‘Scarface’ varieties in these sets, and both graded MS62.

Interested folks can search Heritage’s archives of past sale of Scarfaces, to see some specimens with that tinted circle.

Whoever promoted and put together those year sets probably got a good deal buying a quantity of those lustrous but un-pretty 1888-o’s. They fit right in with the other baggy mint state coins in the set.

Actually, whoever hung on to the sets long enough for VAMs to take off in the late 90s got a good deal. The Scarfaces were just making it onto the market from rolls in the 70s and nobody really cared much. See above post about Jeff Oxman breaking up a roll at $100 a pop.

BustHalfBrian

63

jfriedm56

Here’s one I found in a dealer’s common date dollar box full of Morgans and Peace. Don’t want to hijack your gtg thread, just posting for comparison purposes. Typical baggy 61.

may

62