Why isn't this in a holder? :)
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Note the "toning" is in the exact same areas both sides. I'm thinking creative lighting...
https://ebay.com/itm/156147128514
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
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We know who that is. Odds are it was holdered and they broke it out.
LOL. Yeah, and they need to come up with a different background too.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
This is like a circus act. In case you don’t know, this seller is a known crook. By that I mean they buy problem coins then crack them out and say they came from a roll and sell them.
I'm guessing this one is "From an original collection"
I'd bet it was broken out of a details- cleaned holder. Someone here can probably find a past sale, there seems to always be someone who can find stuff like that.
Collector, occasional seller
Yes- thus the smiley in the title. I've done ebay since 1998 and he's been a known quantity for a long time.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
My interpretation is that the coin is blast white and that the seller knows very well how to extract the most complimentary image from any coin placed for sale.
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The sad part is that he probably scares of dozens of collectors. When they go to sell and find out the coin is worth much less than they paid, it may scare them off.
eBay can be a great place to buy but it has many pitfalls.
You have to admit that to the unknowing those images make the coin look great. I bet he also has his stuff shilled up as well.
I do admit I bought a coin from him once.
I did return it with no issues.
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I suppose the buyers and collectors are generally lame as he has 26,500+ feedback at 100%. In reading the last dozen or so feedbacks you would think this seller walks on water.
So, for being a, "known crook" there sure are a lot of people he has duped.
peacockcoins
From the website "Please note many coins exhibit brilliant cartwheel luster; these shadows and light reflection are not to be confused with color or toning on the coin."
34 bids on it (I think I'll stay away from it) jmo
I remember when third party grading was still in its infancy. I used to look for nice lustrous AU58 NGC and PCGS coins and I couldn't seem to find any. It didn't take me long to discover that dealers were buying them to crack out and put into a flip marked with a higher MS grade. Soon, most smart collectors started to only consider the purchase of expensive coins that were already slabbed by a major grading service.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Oh my oh my. When I first saw the pic I didn’t recognize the background, but I was like, wow - that coin is lit up exactly like the N MS66 peace dollar I bought from seller “X” on eBay a few years ago. So I followed your link and sure enough it was the same guy. I ended up keeping the coin at the time because it was solid for the grade. I should NOT however have paid the PQ premium I did, after seeing the coin in hand.
I knew the heavy light was likely hiding some hits here and there, and sure enough…. Was it enough of a markup to feel ripped off? No. It was not. But would I buy from this seller again. No. I would not. I chalked it up to a little more tuition to coin college and moved on. It’s funny how even after a couple decades I still fell for it, even knowing better. Like a dang numismatic honey trap…..
Having fun while switching things up and focusing on a next level PCGS slabbed 1950+ type set, while still looking for great examples for the 7070.
I suspect because it is unable to reside in a holder at a grade/status acceptable to the submitter
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Didn't somebody pick some Buff Proofs off this group?
BST: KindaNewish (3/21/21), WQuarterFreddie (3/30/21), Meltdown (4/6/21), DBSTrader2 (5/5/21) AKA- unclemonkey on Blow Out
No, I think that was great southern
Collector, occasional seller
Ahhh... thought they had changed their name. Think I figured out who y'all are talking about.
BST: KindaNewish (3/21/21), WQuarterFreddie (3/30/21), Meltdown (4/6/21), DBSTrader2 (5/5/21) AKA- unclemonkey on Blow Out
People like that are the reason why reputable third party grading should exist.
All that’s missing is the 200 year old safe.
These are the kind of sellers I exclude in my searches on ebay. When I get tired of seeing the same old stuff, just exclude them and you'll never miss a thing.
I bought a buffalo nickel from this outfit. He called it MS out of a roll. I took a chance and bought it after fighting with other bidders for it and paid a little more than I wanted, but the coin looked great in the images. I was happy I won the coin as it was a semi key date. When the coin arrived not only was it AU it was also laminated. The images in the listing hid these problems. I sent it back and left a negative feedback but eBay removed it. This might account for his great feedback.
How can every single coin they sell come from an old collection
I know exactly which ebay seller this is from based on the picture. I've never bought anything from him, but I find it very suspicious that he only sells raw coins and that he photographs all the coins using that same lighting technique. I've been suspicious ever since I came across his listings. He does have 100% rating score though so maybe he's just the luckiest man in the world and comes across raw MS coins all day every day.
Some other examples of his listings
Define old. Almost all the coins in my collection are at least 20 years old
I was duped by this seller, bought a gem coin that turned up cleaned when slabbed.
Under "Item Specifics", "Seller Notes"..."Please note luster, shadows, and light reflection are not to be confused with color or toning on the coin."
It is pretty simple to make a blast white coin colorful with creative photography, particularly if the coin is lustrous. Here's a state quarter I shot, just playing around. It is void of color.
Lance.
This is one more worthless and vile seller to avoid.
It used to be that every one of his coins came from an “original roll.” Now they all come from “original collections,” and the seller’s deception aside, I’m getting hung up on the terminology.
What is an “original collection” supposed to be, exactly?
Exactly.
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That would be a good question to send this seller but you risk him blocking you from bidding in all of his auctions.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
You pay the juice; one way or another.
Is there an easy, global way to do this, without specifying it anew for each search? Seems I've seen it but now I forget.
I've bought from this seller too. Returns were not a problem.
My penultimate sentence there looks like support group material.
I returned a coin and got blocked😊
Here’s one he claims is from a bank bag 😂
The sick thing, it probably WAS from a bank bag. Whether 100 years ago or last week when he cracked it out of a holder and then put it in a bank bag for 30 seconds. Of course, it just hasn't been in a bank bag for the last 100yrs ago which he clearly implies to trick the gullible.
Chopmarked Trade Dollar Registry Set --- US & World Gold Showcase --- World Chopmark Showcase
Simplified: "Photos of the coin are not to be confused with the actual appearance of the coin."
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
Looking at this sellers photos, I'm guessing they could make a bent, scratched and holed SBA dollar in VF look appealing.
Your hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need it.
As far as I know, there is no easy way. If anyone else knows please tell us. I only have like 4 saved searches, but they do exclude the same sellers. Some sellers I haven't taken the time to exclude, but I probably should. Thanks for reminding me...