Barber Halves Fo Real...???
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Those coins are as real as my girlfriend.
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you" Matthew 6:33. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.
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I messaged the owner days ago I guess he doesn't care. ebay made it impossible to contact the winning bidder.
What could go wrong? I always buy scarce Barbers from tropical fish dealers.
Smells fishy.
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Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
Just Wow wow.
A fool and their money are farted.
I had no idea you could buy live fish on eBay. I wonder how many die during shipping?
Chindongo saulosi is not amused.
Ouch
Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc
Same seller sold a counterfeit Ike, as well:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/186365374311
I wonder what his grandfather did for a living?
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The fisherman's coin source............
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This thread saddens me.
Based on my message exchanges with the seller, I don’t think he knew the coins were counterfeit. And I don’t think he or his grandfather deserved to be made fun of, either.
There are more than enough members on this coin forum who would have been fooled by those coins. And they likely would have received more understanding than this seller has.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I don't think there is any ill intent - just a few good-natured fish puns.
I believe the "grandfather" reference is poking fun at another eBay user ("gramps1959") that brazenly sold a number of counterfeits. To be fair, the tone might have been different if the seller had responded to the OP promptly (in which case, no thread would have likely been needed at all).
Not long ago, I went through a friend's Morgan dollar collection that he had pieced together through eBay. The 1895-S and a few other expensive pieces turned out to be counterfeit. He learned a good lesson about being a savvier buyer, be we still have a good laugh every time the subject comes up, as the seller he bought them from was called something like "Brad's parts & tools".
It's just amusing in hindsight that that's who he got them from.
I have never believed the 'grandfather' story.
Mom and Dad's coins, maybe, but Grandpa, never.
"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)
"I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
I told him they were fake and I also told him that if he didn't believe me to ask questions here which he did not.
I made the "grandfather" reference sort of tongue-in-cheek... my apologies if my attempt at humor fell short. It's just that two fake Barber Halves AND an Eisenhower Dollar sort of left me wondering. Who knows, maybe gramps collected them on the side...
Oh... and I have no idea who the other Forum member is...
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With any luck the seller hadn’t shipped the coins before @MFeld made him aware that they were fakes and he was able to cancel the transaction.
I feel sad for the collector who purchases a counterfeit coin. I do not feel sad for a seller getting dragged for selling counterfeit coins. It's the seller's responsibility to accurately represent the product. Anyone selling multiple counterfeit coins has no business selling coins. It makes no difference if the potential buyer is fooled or not.
Apparently the seller was warned, but sold the coins anyway. That's the inflection point where the honest seller can no longer be categorized as honest.
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
I also feel bad for the collector who purchased the coins. At the same time, I’m sure most of us have seen listings where bidders paid hundreds or thousands of dollars for laughable quality counterfeits. I don’t think they had any more business buying the coins than the sellers did selling them.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
That's another kettle of fish.
I recently had this conversation with a well meaning but novice seller. I feel bad that he unintentionally bought a fake but his response was stellar. I would hope that all honest sellers of counterfeit items would do the same.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/186374456698?
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label has diameter wrong too. the blanks are one thickness but i'm unsure how thick one is at fully struck rims
who needs berries with that beak?
How much understanding should the people he ripped off receive? We know he's sold three fake coins now.
I'm glad I gave him $573 worth of scorching abuse that he so richly deserved. A crime is a crime, he can go tell his story of felony fraud to the judge. I care about the victims.
Edited to increase the actual number of fake coins he's sold.
I had already reported the listing, as I frequently do. My point was that not all sellers of counterfeits are knowingly doing so. And that’s even if they’re contacted through eBay by a stranger, like the OP or myself. But if given a choice - which I’m not - I’d rather forum members give such sellers a “scorching”, than joke about it.
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What about buying a 1909 Barbara half dollars from a fish man?
You laugh?! This has been a major shock to me. Where do I go now for decent Barbers and Ikes?
Who else has pneumatically operated treasure chests full of coins?
I don’t think they had any more business buying the coins than the sellers did selling them.
The law would disagree with you on this one.
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
When a seller tells you they know nothing about coins and found this coin. In fact he calls it a Barbara Half Dollar. Perhaps he thought that was Liberty's name or that he mispelled? Barber. Regardless, ebay buyers have protection with Ebay and after they find out it's counterfeit and that Ebay's AI failed them, they should get a refund. It's a shame but a fact in this greedy world and when the buyers have little risk other than time, it will continue. Should the buyer merely put it in a drawer and leave it, then they pay the price for education only to be discovered later. JMO
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
I wasn’t talking about the law, but rather, clueless bidders bidding on blatantly counterfeit coins.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@MFeld - for the record, I respect you. I agree with you >99% of there time. But you are completely on the wrong side of this debate. If you are saying that "clueless bidders" are just as responsible and potentially clueless (and not-so-clueless) sellers, that is just completely inaccurate. The law is on the buyer's side for a reason, and it doesn't matter how clueless the buyer is.
I am not saying that a counterfeit coin cannot slip by a dealer who sells it. And, I am not saying that we should tar and feather everyone who makes a mistake. That dealer should pull that listing, or refund the sale and get the counterfeit coin off the market. But, that's not what is happening here at all.
I am saying is if a dealer sells multiple counterfeits, and continues to sell them after they were told about it... well, the insults they receive on coin forums should be the LEAST of their worries. They should go to jail, or face serious fines to stay out of jail.
You are a very reputable seller of coins. You should protect the other reputable sellers, and frankly advocate for the collectors getting burned by this bad actor. Defending sellers like this one, is the wrong approach.
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a fish dealer to sell coins on eBay and you are asking for trouble!
I'm not saying that clueless bidders are just as responsible as clueless sellers and am sorry if I somehow gave that impression. I'm saying that bidders/buyers who are so clueless that they bid on blatantly counterfeit coins have no business bidding on them. Is it their right? Of course, but I doubt they'd be bidding if they knew the coins were counterfeit.
I don't excuse any sellers of counterfeits. I do however, look at them differently, depending upon whether they appear to know what they're doing. In this case, the seller told me that he'd cancelled the sale after I contacted him and that a pawn shop to whom he showed the coins, offered him a similar price. I don't know if he was being truthful. Either way, I had already sent a report to eBay and politely warned him twice.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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You have a girlfriend?
"the seller told me that he'd cancelled the sale after I contacted him and that a pawn shop to whom he showed the coins, offered him a similar price."
That's not the story he gave me and it looks like the auction ran it's course.
Told me the pawn shop guy offered $300 apiece for the fakes. RIdiculous.
SOLD $573.
bob
If collectors haven't yet learned that you do not buy unholdered coins that should be in a holder, then what can you do?
Well, one can send mean PMs to them via eBay. Then they can taunt you with their latest counterfeit sale.