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With All Of The Talk About Ohtani & His Interpreter, This Other Story Has Gone Under The Radar...

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Taken from ESPN:
Toronto Raptors forward Jontay Porter is under investigation by the NBA following multiple instances of betting irregularities over the past several months, multiple sources told ESPN on Monday.

At issue are prop bets involving Porter from games on Jan. 26 and March 20, multiple sources told ESPN. An NBA spokesman told ESPN that the league is "looking into it."

In the game on Jan. 26 against the LA Clippers, there was increased betting interest on the under for Porter props, which for the night were set at around 5.5 points, 4.5 rebounds and 1.5 assists. There was also an over/under for Porter's made 3-pointers, which was 0.5.

That evening, Porter played just four minutes before leaving the game because of what the Raptors said was an aggravation of an eye injury he had suffered four days earlier against the Memphis Grizzlies. Porter did not score against the Clippers but had three rebounds and one assist, and he did not attempt a 3, meaning the under hit on all of the props.

The next day, as part of a daily report to users on betting results, DraftKings Sportsbook stated that the under on Porter's 3-pointers was the biggest money winner for bettors of any NBA player props from games that evening.

Porter played 19 minutes two days later and scored 12 points with 7 rebounds and 3 assists.

On March 20 against the Sacramento Kings, Porter played just three minutes before exiting because of what the Raptors said was an illness and did not return. He did not score after attempting one shot and had two rebounds.

Sportsbooks had his over/unders set at around 7.5 points and 5.5 rebounds.

The next day, DraftKings Sportsbook reported in a media release that Porter's prop bets were the No. 1 moneymaker from the night in the NBA.

At least one other U.S. sportsbook detected unusual betting interest on the Porter props in the games in question. A sportsbook industry source told ESPN that multiple betting accounts attempted to bet large amounts, upward of $10,000 and $20,000, on Porter unders in the January game against the Clippers. Betting limits on NBA player props vary by sportsbook and customer but are typically around $1,000 to $2,000.

"People were trying to do whatever they could to bet Jontay Porter props [against the Clippers]," the source said. "And then, just a few days ago, the same thing. We had a bunch of people trying to bet under for more."

Porter, the brother of Denver Nuggets star Michael Porter Jr., is on a two-way contract with the Raptors earning $415,000 this season.

The entire article: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39808900/nba-eyes-raptors-jontay-porter-betting-issues

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    Alfonz24Alfonz24 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am sure it happens a lot more than realized on prop bets.

    #LetsGoSwitzerlandThe Man Who Does Not Read Has No Advantage Over the Man Who Cannot Read. The biggest obstacle to progress is a habit of “buying what we want and begging for what we need.”You get the Freedom you fight for and get the Oppression you deserve.
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    stevekstevek Posts: 27,742 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dam, I wish I was in on it. I could use the money. 🤑

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    stevekstevek Posts: 27,742 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Alfonz24 said:
    I am sure it happens a lot more than realized on prop bets.

    The house juice is so high on prop bets, taking a hit like this once in a while on a fix, may not even bother them that much.

    Besides, I'm guessing they can put a hold on the funds if they catch it fast enough, and thus won't lose anything at all.

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    erikthredderikthredd Posts: 8,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Alfonz24 said:
    I am sure it happens a lot more than realized on prop bets.

    It sounds like he's not too bright to begin with if he's actually behind all this but pulling himself from those games just made it much more obvious. This reminds of the stories you hear of guys robbing banks but using a bicycle as their getaway vehicle.

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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,503 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm pissed I didn't know about it, I would have smashed the bet myself

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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,503 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 27, 2024 9:04AM

    This goes both ways though. Earlier during the NFL season they had a prop bet with great odds with 4 players, all were pretty much locks for accomplishing their side of the prop, after the games started one of the players only played 1 players because he was sick and nobody knew about it but somehow Draft Kings did

    I blew them up via email and they actually gave me my money bank without any questions which told me they knew I was right

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    erikthredderikthredd Posts: 8,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stevek said:

    @Alfonz24 said:
    I am sure it happens a lot more than realized on prop bets.

    The house juice is so high on prop bets, taking a hit like this once in a while on a fix, may not even bother them that much.

    Besides, I'm guessing they can put a hold on the funds if they catch it fast enough, and thus won't lose anything at all.

    This is less about the house losing money and more about a player possibly betting on himself to finish with very low statistics for that game then calling it a night due to "injury."

    I haven't dug into the Ohtani details like others have but this sounds closer to what Pete Rose did than what Ohtani or his interpreter were supposedly doing.

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    stevekstevek Posts: 27,742 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    @stevek said:

    @Alfonz24 said:
    I am sure it happens a lot more than realized on prop bets.

    The house juice is so high on prop bets, taking a hit like this once in a while on a fix, may not even bother them that much.

    Besides, I'm guessing they can put a hold on the funds if they catch it fast enough, and thus won't lose anything at all.

    This is less about the house losing money and more about a player possibly betting on himself to finish with very low statistics for that game then calling it a night due to "injury."

    I haven't dug into the Ohtani details like others have but this sounds closer to what Pete Rose did than what Ohtani or his interpreter were supposedly doing.

    You're right. I just considered that a given when replying.

    Frankly, I didn't even realize they offered prop bets such as this. Fixing a game used to be a bit complex. Now with these type of prop bets, the bookies are practically offering an engraved invitation for cheating to take place.

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    stevekstevek Posts: 27,742 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    @stevek said:

    @Alfonz24 said:
    I am sure it happens a lot more than realized on prop bets.

    The house juice is so high on prop bets, taking a hit like this once in a while on a fix, may not even bother them that much.

    Besides, I'm guessing they can put a hold on the funds if they catch it fast enough, and thus won't lose anything at all.

    This is less about the house losing money and more about a player possibly betting on himself to finish with very low statistics for that game then calling it a night due to "injury."

    I haven't dug into the Ohtani details like others have but this sounds closer to what Pete Rose did than what Ohtani or his interpreter were supposedly doing.

    Yep, doing what they can to cheat the bookies out of money.

    Frankly, i couldn't care less about bookies losing some money. But the sad part is the regular bettor didn't get a fair shake on his bet, because he of course wasn't in on the fix.

    Even sadder still is the loyal fan who doesn't gamble, who puts his heart and soul into rooting for his team to win, and some stinking player or coach fixes the game.

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    stevekstevek Posts: 27,742 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Alfonz24 said:
    I am sure it happens a lot more than realized on prop bets.

    I agree with ya. Geez, it's just so easy to do.

    I mean just tell the coach ya can't play because you've got an eyelash in your eye, and ya automatically win the bet. Then all your family and friends will be toasting you at the weekend party to celebrate the nice booty they all won.

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    Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭✭

    @stevek said:

    @Alfonz24 said:
    I am sure it happens a lot more than realized on prop bets.

    I agree with ya. Geez, it's just so easy to do.

    I mean just tell the coach ya can't play because you've got an eyelash in your eye, and ya automatically win the bet. Then all your family and friends will be toasting you at the weekend party to celebrate the nice booty they all won.

    Theoretically its easy, in actuality its not though without getting caught from the organizations that monitor and flag suspicious action on bets. Prop bets have a lot less action too which would draw attenrtion quicker and you have to count on everyone involved not to say anything to anyone.

    The Alabama head baseball coach actually got fired with cause (meaning no buy out) and suspended either for years or life from the NCAA. I forget how long the ban is but no big program will likely ever hire him again either way. What he did was Bama was set to have their Ace start against LSU that night or the next night. The Ace was sick and the coach knew he wasnt going to be playing and was going to be starting a long reliever but hadnt publicly announced it yet. He started tipping off his friends who started making big bets on LSU and obviously the lines changed significantly once he announced the Ace was out.

    Even for an SEC game and even with LSU as the best team in the country the bets got flagged when a suspicious amount of money was being bet on a regular season college baseball game and was suspiciously heavy on LSU. It really didnt take them very long to get the evidence they needed that he was leaking information to friends and he was fired very quickly.

    Bouttee from the Patriots was doing the same thing betting on props in games he played in while at LSU and made like 10000 bets total and either lost money or barely made any. He recently got caught and is now facing criminal charges over it. I would assume his time in the NFL is done as well.

    You have to be really dumb to be betting on games youre involved in or even just the sport you play. I do think players in general are betting and gambling like playing cards or making bets against each other they will do something a lot more than people think, but I dont think very many are taking the risk of doing casino bets for their games/sport

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    stevekstevek Posts: 27,742 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "flag suspicious action on bets"

    You hit the nail on the head. Let's be honest here in Sports Talk. We admire sports players for their athletic prowess and that's fine. But I'd say the majority of them, in some sports the vast majority, are certainly not in the high intelligence category.

    It's "easy" as stated, but yes that doesn't mean it's easy to get away with it. The problem they usually have is greed. Instead of clipping the bookie say many times for smaller amounts and it adds up, instead they bet and win way too much at one time, draw suspicion and get caught.

    What they should do is hire a cheating adviser to guide them on the best ways to cheat without getting caught. 😆

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    Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 27, 2024 4:38PM

    @stevek said:
    "flag suspicious action on bets"

    You hit the nail on the head. Let's be honest here in Sports Talk. We admire sports players for their athletic prowess and that's fine. But I'd say the majority of them, in some sports the vast majority, are certainly not in the high intelligence category.

    It's "easy" as stated, but yes that doesn't mean it's easy to get away with it. The problem they usually have is greed. Instead of clipping the bookie say many times for smaller amounts and it adds up, instead they bet and win way too much at one time, draw suspicion and get caught.

    What they should do is hire a cheating adviser to guide them on the best ways to cheat without getting caught. 😆

    Like Cardale Jones famously posted while at Ohio State thats ended up in text books about what not to say lol

    I kind of equate it like robbing a bank. Maybe you get like 10k and risk going to prison for decades. Its just dumb risking a career over small returns when theres plenty of ways to gamble that wouldnt. This is especially true with the newer players now that could make money in college and some even had NIL in HS as well. They basically have to be greedy for it to be worth it, and if theyre greedy theyre very likely to get caught

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    Alfonz24Alfonz24 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stevek said:
    "flag suspicious action on bets"

    You hit the nail on the head. Let's be honest here in Sports Talk. We admire sports players for their athletic prowess and that's fine. But I'd say the majority of them, in some sports the vast majority, are certainly not in the high intelligence category.

    It's "easy" as stated, but yes that doesn't mean it's easy to get away with it. The problem they usually have is greed. Instead of clipping the bookie say many times for smaller amounts and it adds up, instead they bet and win way too much at one time, draw suspicion and get caught.

    What they should do is hire a cheating adviser to guide them on the best ways to cheat without getting caught. 😆

    Or the player has been caught in an uncompromising position and are being blackmailed.

    Then I think some of these players who come tough countries where they kidnap your family. Instead of ransom, they can manipulate the players to win bets.

    #LetsGoSwitzerlandThe Man Who Does Not Read Has No Advantage Over the Man Who Cannot Read. The biggest obstacle to progress is a habit of “buying what we want and begging for what we need.”You get the Freedom you fight for and get the Oppression you deserve.
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