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Diamond70Diamond70 Posts: 106 ✭✭
edited March 25, 2024 9:27AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Hi Everyone,
Can anybody see anything going on with this 1871 Indian Head apart from probably being struck with a worn out die and a fair share of cud?

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  • BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭

    Looks AU to me. I see die cracks but no cuds.

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  • Diamond70Diamond70 Posts: 106 ✭✭

    @BustHalfBrian
    Thanks Brian, very much appreciated.

  • renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,499 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not a listed die variety

  • Diamond70Diamond70 Posts: 106 ✭✭

    @renomedphys
    Thanks very much reno. Nothing out of the ordinary about it then.

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Diamond70 said:
    @renomedphys
    Thanks very much reno. Nothing out of the ordinary about it then.

    Still, a nice example of a scarce date.

  • Diamond70Diamond70 Posts: 106 ✭✭

    @dcarr
    Thanks d, that sums it up nicely.

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,139 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Grease filled die over part of the ribbon?
    Or something else?

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  • Diamond70Diamond70 Posts: 106 ✭✭

    @Walkerguy21D
    Thanks Walker, Struck through grease, maybe not wear. Would never have seen that.

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,932 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A coin that many, many collectors would like to own.

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  • jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice AU better date Indian. Looks like it served a short time in circulation. Nothing I see out of the ordinary. Perhaps another round of better pics in true lighting would help.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,826 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What's causing the shadowing around the obverse devices?

  • Diamond70Diamond70 Posts: 106 ✭✭

    @jmlanzaf
    Because the camera lens wasn't exactly perpendicular to the coin my guess.

  • Diamond70Diamond70 Posts: 106 ✭✭

    @291fifth
    Thanks fifth. Who would you recommend to grade it, PCGS or NGC?

  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 3,416 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Diamond70 said:
    Who would you recommend to grade it, PCGS or NGC?

    Why do you want anyone to grade it? That's a serious question, and the answer to that can change the answer to your question.

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,932 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Diamond70 said:
    @291fifth
    Thanks fifth. Who would you recommend to grade it, PCGS or NGC?

    I would keep it raw and put into an album. It is a coin that can stand on its own and not need slabs or stickers to find an enthusiastic buyer.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 5,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BustHalfBrian said:
    Looks AU to me. I see die cracks but no cuds.

    Too much gunk for AU. Just an XF to my eyes.

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  • Diamond70Diamond70 Posts: 106 ✭✭

    @291fifth
    Thanks fifth. Good advice.

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a pretty decent strike on a nice AU... and a tougher date to find nice.

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  • Diamond70Diamond70 Posts: 106 ✭✭

    @lkenefic
    Thanks for the insight Iken, much appreciated.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,826 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 24, 2024 6:03PM

    @Diamond70 said:
    @jmlanzaf
    Because the camera lens wasn't exactly perpendicular to the coin my guess.

    No. I'm not taking about light shadows. The fields are a different color than the spaces around the letters. It's not lighting. It's either a luster difference or a film. Could be PVC residue, as one possibility.

  • MapsOnFireMapsOnFire Posts: 189 ✭✭✭
    edited March 24, 2024 9:56PM

    Dentils on both sides are crisp. I don't see worn out dies. And I think you meant crud, not cud.

  • Diamond70Diamond70 Posts: 106 ✭✭

    @MapsOnFire
    I meant cuds actually, but I think that was barking up the wrong tree. Thanks for the other information also, much appreciated.

  • Diamond70Diamond70 Posts: 106 ✭✭

    @jmlanzaf
    That's a great point actually.

  • Diamond70Diamond70 Posts: 106 ✭✭

    Please close this thread.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 20,725 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a terrific example of a much better date. Most anyone would be pleased to own this coin.

    As an aside, it is pretty rare for PCGS to close or delete a thread based upon a request in the thread from the person who started it. In general, when folks get their answers they leave the contents of the thread intact and allow it to sink, which then acts as a library or archive for others when they search the forums looking for information. Regardless, it appears to be a great coin and your images are terrific.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,826 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Diamond70 said:
    Please close this thread.

    Why?

  • BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭
    edited March 25, 2024 10:36AM

    @mr1931S said:

    @BustHalfBrian said:
    Looks AU to me. I see die cracks but no cuds.

    Too much gunk for AU. Just an XF to my eyes.

    Gunk is generally not an indicator of wear. An AU coin can have more gunk than an XF coin, but still be a technically higher grade. Using gunk as a basis for grading a coin is not reliable. I've seen many MS coins with so much gunk that it obscures details, but the presence of that gunk alone will not greatly influence the coin's grade.

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