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mercury FB and Bag mark

I would put up a picture, but I'm pretty sure we've all seen them. Pristine mercury dimes, magical glowing fields, plump round bands with a single bag mark on the reverse, right across the center band. It happened to me on a coin graded MS68. No other marks to speak of, Fully struck with every detail, but for that one unfortunate 1/32" bag mark, that can only be seen with a loupe - fails to meet the designation.

In the meantime, plenty of dimes with much weaker strikes and detracting bag marks get the designation.

I always thought the FB designation was about the strike, like FBL and FS - though I'm pretty sure an unfortunate bag mark will prevent those as well.

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    define FB

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    Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've seen this show before.

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    Insider3Insider3 Posts: 260 ✭✭✭

    Don't expect anything logical when it comes to coins and the guys who put values on them. The plain truth is that some nobody, decided that any mark across a fully struck design feature voided the designation. You, me, and everyone went along with it and it became the standard. So-called Standards" are not fixed and this one may change eventually. After all, some folks only consider the bottom set of bell lines now for the FBL designation.

    IMO, marks and strike are to be considered separately!

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    Insider3Insider3 Posts: 260 ✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    define FB

    You must know that the definition of FB depends on who you ask.

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm asking the op

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Put the Picture up

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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jimnight said:
    Put the Picture up

    reasonable request

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    ShaunBC5ShaunBC5 Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you don’t like the TPG definition of “FB” then gobble up all the coins that missed it by a bag mark and be thrilled with your collection. You could have a group of coins that was super well-struck at a fraction of the FB cost.

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    RonaldDayRonaldDay Posts: 28 ✭✭

    @ShaunBC5 said:
    If you don’t like the TPG definition of “FB” then gobble up all the coins that missed it by a bag mark and be thrilled with your collection. You could have a group of coins that was super well-struck at a fraction of the FB cost.

    I already do that. I'll take a well-struck 65 or 66 over a glowing weakly struck 67 any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
    Technically strike is supposed to be part of the grade but I've seen some real pancakes in 67 holders. Not my cup of tea, but that's why there are so many flavors of ice cream.

    As for the other question, not yours, about FBL? FH, FB, FT, FBL while ostensibly about strike is more about die state that the actual strike and as such the die state of the Obverse should be taken into account as well IMO. Many of us wonder why a bag mark should affect a designation about die state, seems like a reasonable question.

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    JBKJBK Posts: 14,786 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Look at it this way: if a bag mark across the bands did not preclude FB designation then a coin with only a slight break in the bands could have a well-placed "bag mark" added to conceal the lack of actual FB.

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    RonaldDayRonaldDay Posts: 28 ✭✭

    @JBK said:
    Look at it this way: if a bag mark across the bands did not preclude FB designation then a coin with only a slight break in the bands could have a well-placed "bag mark" added to conceal the lack of actual FB.

    I must not have communicated my position clearly, for that I apologize. I wouldn't give a full bands designation based solely on the band. In my mind, the FB, FS etc... designations are misnomers. They should all simply be FS (full strike) for both the reverse and obverse. After all, who cares if you have a thin band across the torch if the rest fo the coin is as flat as a 2022 dime?

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