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GTG 1909-P VDB Doubled Die Obverse Lincoln Cent

PipestonePetePipestonePete Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭✭✭

Just got the TrueView back on a 1909-P VDB Lincoln that I submitted. I was unaware that it was a Doubled Die! Care to guess what grade this cent received?

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You say you were unaware of Doubled Die. Did you submit the coin under variety attribution?

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • PipestonePetePipestonePete Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I did not. I submitted it strictly for grading and encapsulation.

  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,706 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS 64 R&B.

    WS

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PipestonePete said:
    I did not. I submitted it strictly for grading and encapsulation.

    So how and when did you discover it was doubled die?

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • PipestonePetePipestonePete Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When I received notification from PCGS that the grades were in. If there is an extra charge for that service I expect I will be invoiced for it.

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,253 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63RB, congrats on the DDO
    Jim


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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PipestonePete said:
    When I received notification from PCGS that the grades were in. If there is an extra charge for that service I expect I will be invoiced for it.

    I wasn't aware they would attribute it, without it being requested on the submission form and paid for in advance.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63RD to me.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,489 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Follow up with them as well, jmo

  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 3,416 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 15, 2024 11:52AM

    @OAKSTAR said:
    I wasn't aware they would attribute it, without it being requested on the submission form and paid for in advance.

    Many / most of the "major" varieties get attributed without extra fees. For this one: https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1909-vdb-1c-ddo-fs-1101-rd/37633

    In an earlier thread:

    @PCGSCustomerService said:
    Please visit this link; PCGS Varieties it has just about everything you need to know along with a list of what we'll attribute. In a nutshell a major variety is anything found in the Cherrypickers Guide, the Red Book or any variety that already has a corresponding PCGS coin number.

    Also:

    @PCGSCustomerService said:
    "If the coin is listed on the main date listing page (http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Hierarchy.aspx?c=711&title=Type+2,+No+Motto+(1840-1865)), it is considered a Major variety.

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 22,764 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I hope this is not going too far out on a limb but PCGS did the right thing by acknowledging the variety. Congrats. While I see this as 64 RB, I will leave this one to the copper and Lincoln collectors to decide.

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  • PipestonePetePipestonePete Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you for the informative responses and the guesses. The grade assigned is 65RD.

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 22,764 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Excellent... Sadly that you are unable to see the smile on my face as I type this.. A Huge Congrats

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Congrats on that grade!! 👍

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • lermishlermish Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PipestonePete said:
    Thank you for the informative responses and the guesses. The grade assigned is 65RD.

    That is a nice result and a pretty nice increase in value! Not surprising but definitely unfortunate that the Trueview is pretty awful.

  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 7,859 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice, I was going to guess 64RD before I saw you posted the grade.

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  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 5,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:
    You say you were unaware of Doubled Die. Did you submit the coin under variety attribution?

    The error can be easily seen with a 10x loupe. Why spend extra money to know what you already know? First year of issue for Lincoln cent, first Lincoln cent DDO error. B)

    Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 16, 2024 6:16AM

    @mr1931S said:

    @OAKSTAR said:
    You say you were unaware of Doubled Die. Did you submit the coin under variety attribution?

    The error can be easily seen with a 10x loupe. Why spend extra money to know what you already know? First year of issue for Lincoln cent, first Lincoln cent DDO error. B)

    After reading this, I didn't realize there would be no extra fees.

    (What does the service cost? The cost is $20 added to the level of service utilized. For example, if you chose a Regular service level ($40/coin) plus variety attribution, your grading fees would come to $60.)

    Will they put "DDO FS-1101" on the label? Without requesting attribution on the submission form, you're saying PCGS will do it anyway? What if the submitter didn't want this designator? I'm just a little confused with the process.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,810 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63 RD

  • PipestonePetePipestonePete Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is the die crack that runs from the rim and through the "E" in "WE" a diagnostic of all of these 1909 Doubled Dies?

  • robecrobec Posts: 6,603 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PipestonePete said:
    Is the die crack that runs from the rim and through the "E" in "WE" a diagnostic of all of these 1909 Doubled Dies?

    It does appear on some in CoinFacts, but most don’t have it. Maybe it’s a late die diagnostic.

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Did you get the coin back yet?

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 5,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My DDO 1909 V.D.B. does have "FS-1101" designation on the ANACS label. Why would I want to spend $20 more with PCGS on top of grading fees to tell me what I already know? Graded properly imo as about uncirculated by ANACS to risk its being downgraded to XF-45 by PCGS or NGC?

    A poster here earlier got it right. ALL 1909 V.D.B. Lincoln cents, to include 1909-S V.D.B., are varieties. That's why a date/mint Lincoln cent set doesn't need a 1909-S V.D.B. example present to claim "completeness."

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  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 5,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 17, 2024 5:59AM

    @PipestonePete said:
    Just got the TrueView back on a 1909-P VDB Lincoln that I submitted. I was unaware that it was a Doubled Die! Care to guess what grade this cent received?

    I didn't guess before the reveal but I definitely wouldn't call this piece, nice as it is, a "gem" which is what the number MS-65 is supposed to mean. It's fully struck, "choice" but not a gem. Not a gem because of the spots, which are a distraction.

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  • PipestonePetePipestonePete Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:
    Did you get the coin back yet?

    According to USPS it should arrive tomorrow.

  • PipestonePetePipestonePete Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:
    Did you get the coin back yet?

    I received the coin today. No variety designation on the label.

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,810 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice!

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PipestonePete -

    I guess it would have been nice to know if it was a FS-1101 or FS-1102.

    So just to clarify for me. You submitted the coin for just straight grading. You did not request or pay for attributing, correct?

    Would PCGS put the FS numbers on the labels if you pay for it?

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • PipestonePetePipestonePete Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I assume they would have added the FS number if I had requested and paid for it. I wish they would have just done it and charged me for that service.

  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 5,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Big difference between FS-1101 and FS-1102. FS-1101 is the cool one. 1102, not so much.

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  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,517 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice accidental score! You submitted it as a non-DDO, so PCGS corrected it for you B)

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