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Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 26, 2024 4:40AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I have this beautiful Morgan.
This coin is super clean in terms of hits.
With that said I can see what appears to be water spots.
Did they use water in the production of Morgan's at this time?
I know it was used on 1921's.
Or could it possibly be pvc from the slab?
If it is ill crack it soak it and resubmit it.
It's definetly properly graded.
Could even get a bump in grade. In hand it's a blazer. Images really bring out whatever this is. Tough to see even with a loupe. I just don't know if somethings going on in the

Student of numismatics and collector of Morgan dollars
Successful BST transactions with: Namvet Justindan Mattniss RWW olah_in_MA

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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,976 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2024 5:18PM

    Other than PVC, it could also be due to an improper rinse that came after a dip.

    “I may not believe in myself but I believe in what I’m doing” ~Jimmy Page~

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh for the love of...PVC...

    I can tell you with 100% certainty it is not "PVC from the slab".

    @Walkerfan said:
    Other than PVC, it could also be due to an improper rinse that came after a dip.

    Or any other water spotting...

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,056 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Oh for the love of...PVC...

    I can tell you with 100% certainty it is not "PVC from the slab".

    @Walkerfan said:
    Other than PVC, it could also be due to an improper rinse that came after a dip.

    Or any other water spotting...

    Or light splotches where there was toning previously, part of it having etched into the surface of the coin.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,788 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MapsOnFire said:
    Needs a solid scrub with baking soda.

    What?

    LCoopie = Les
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    GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,376 ✭✭✭✭✭

    With an MS67 grade the wise thing to do would be to send it to NGC and let them restore it. If you crack it out your chance of getting a lower grade are too great.

    GrandAm :)
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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,976 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Oh for the love of...PVC...

    I can tell you with 100% certainty it is not "PVC from the slab".

    @Walkerfan said:
    Other than PVC, it could also be due to an improper rinse that came after a dip.

    Or any other water spotting...

    I didn’t say that. The OP said that. Obviously, PVC doesn’t come from the slab. And I’ve never seen a coin with ‘water spotting’.

    “I may not believe in myself but I believe in what I’m doing” ~Jimmy Page~

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947)

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

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    Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Water was used in the process in 1921 on Morgans.

    Student of numismatics and collector of Morgan dollars
    Successful BST transactions with: Namvet Justindan Mattniss RWW olah_in_MA

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    Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 7,640 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2024 8:18PM

    We can speculate all day on cause of water spots. Perhaps there was humidity affecting the coin during decades of storage in mint bags or whatever. Have dipped a lot of coins - I rinse thoroughly and pat them dry with a soft smooth rag. I had a lightly toned Mexico Cabilito Coin in its original state rather dullish. After dipping it’s appeal improved, very nice luster and it then sold quickly.

    At least it’s not some darkly tarnished piece of trash.

    What a beautiful coin with super luster.

    TPG conservation might improve it but you should consult with them. What has been investor response to this piece?

    CPG is $910 on it look at ones auctioned - are they as nice? I don’t think a lot of them are. Pad yours up if u think it’s PQ to $950 or $995 (close to CAC money $1120) ask and see what they offer. Tout its super luster and blazing appeal. With CDN bid at $700🏑🏑🏑 take look at what some went at auction.

    So Cali Area - Coins & Currency
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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,737 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Whatever is going on with the coin, the slab is not affecting it nor has it given the coin PVC. Also, I would not crack that coin out of an MS67 holder and would either learn to live with it as-is, sell it and buy another without the surface issues or (lastly) send it back in its slab and inquire about conservation.

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerfan said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Oh for the love of...PVC...

    I can tell you with 100% certainty it is not "PVC from the slab".

    @Walkerfan said:
    Other than PVC, it could also be due to an improper rinse that came after a dip.

    Or any other water spotting...

    I didn’t say that. The OP said that. Obviously, PVC doesn’t come from the slab. And I’ve never seen a coin with ‘water spotting’.

    I know. I was trying to respond to both at once. When I respond individually, my fans accuse me of trying to run up my post count.

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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,737 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Walkerfan said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Oh for the love of...PVC...

    I can tell you with 100% certainty it is not "PVC from the slab".

    @Walkerfan said:
    Other than PVC, it could also be due to an improper rinse that came after a dip.

    Or any other water spotting...

    I didn’t say that. The OP said that. Obviously, PVC doesn’t come from the slab. And I’ve never seen a coin with ‘water spotting’.

    I know. I was trying to respond to both at once. When I respond individually, my fans accuse me of trying to run up my post count.

    You have fans?

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

    image
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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Walkerfan said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Oh for the love of...PVC...

    I can tell you with 100% certainty it is not "PVC from the slab".

    @Walkerfan said:
    Other than PVC, it could also be due to an improper rinse that came after a dip.

    Or any other water spotting...

    I didn’t say that. The OP said that. Obviously, PVC doesn’t come from the slab. And I’ve never seen a coin with ‘water spotting’.

    I know. I was trying to respond to both at once. When I respond individually, my fans accuse me of trying to run up my post count.

    You have fans?

    I call them that. It seems friendlier than "haters".

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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,976 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @TomB said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Walkerfan said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Oh for the love of...PVC...

    I can tell you with 100% certainty it is not "PVC from the slab".

    @Walkerfan said:
    Other than PVC, it could also be due to an improper rinse that came after a dip.

    Or any other water spotting...

    I didn’t say that. The OP said that. Obviously, PVC doesn’t come from the slab. And I’ve never seen a coin with ‘water spotting’.

    I know. I was trying to respond to both at once. When I respond individually, my fans accuse me of trying to run up my post count.

    You have fans?

    I call them that. It seems friendlier than "haters".

    Well, just for the record …I like you and I don’t care what anyone says. 😉😀😆

    “I may not believe in myself but I believe in what I’m doing” ~Jimmy Page~

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947)

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

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    BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    You have fans?

    Ceiling
    Dash
    Floor
    Table
    Duct

    lots of fans

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
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    lermishlermish Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerfan said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @TomB said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Walkerfan said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Oh for the love of...PVC...

    I can tell you with 100% certainty it is not "PVC from the slab".

    @Walkerfan said:
    Other than PVC, it could also be due to an improper rinse that came after a dip.

    Or any other water spotting...

    I didn’t say that. The OP said that. Obviously, PVC doesn’t come from the slab. And I’ve never seen a coin with ‘water spotting’.

    I know. I was trying to respond to both at once. When I respond individually, my fans accuse me of trying to run up my post count.

    You have fans?

    I call them that. It seems friendlier than "haters".

    Well, just for the record …I like you and I don’t care what anyone says. 😉😀😆

    Agreed, I'm a @jmlanzaf fan. Just ignore all of the multitudes who say you are pedantic and argumentative. ;)

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lermish said:

    @Walkerfan said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @TomB said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Walkerfan said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Oh for the love of...PVC...

    I can tell you with 100% certainty it is not "PVC from the slab".

    @Walkerfan said:
    Other than PVC, it could also be due to an improper rinse that came after a dip.

    Or any other water spotting...

    I didn’t say that. The OP said that. Obviously, PVC doesn’t come from the slab. And I’ve never seen a coin with ‘water spotting’.

    I know. I was trying to respond to both at once. When I respond individually, my fans accuse me of trying to run up my post count.

    You have fans?

    I call them that. It seems friendlier than "haters".

    Well, just for the record …I like you and I don’t care what anyone says. 😉😀😆

    Agreed, I'm a @jmlanzaf fan. Just ignore all of the multitudes who say you are pedantic and argumentative. ;)

    With defenders like this, I don't need any haters.

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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,737 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @lermish said:

    @Walkerfan said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @TomB said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Walkerfan said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Oh for the love of...PVC...

    I can tell you with 100% certainty it is not "PVC from the slab".

    @Walkerfan said:
    Other than PVC, it could also be due to an improper rinse that came after a dip.

    Or any other water spotting...

    I didn’t say that. The OP said that. Obviously, PVC doesn’t come from the slab. And I’ve never seen a coin with ‘water spotting’.

    I know. I was trying to respond to both at once. When I respond individually, my fans accuse me of trying to run up my post count.

    You have fans?

    I call them that. It seems friendlier than "haters".

    Well, just for the record …I like you and I don’t care what anyone says. 😉😀😆

    Agreed, I'm a @jmlanzaf fan. Just ignore all of the multitudes who say you are pedantic and argumentative. ;)

    With defenders like this, I don't need any haters.

    I was expecting you to debate him that you really aren't pedantic and argumentative... ;)

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

    image
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    BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    I was expecting you to debate him that you really aren't pedantic and argumentative... ;)

    Clearly erroneous, he's argumentative and pedantic and that makes ALL the difference.

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
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    pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,327 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MapsOnFire said:
    Needs a solid scrub with baking soda.

    Followed by a long soak in acetone. And then a rinse in distilled water and a sprinkling of sparkling pixie dust.

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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 21,910 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Walkerfan said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Oh for the love of...PVC...

    I can tell you with 100% certainty it is not "PVC from the slab".

    @Walkerfan said:
    Other than PVC, it could also be due to an improper rinse that came after a dip.

    Or any other water spotting...

    I didn’t say that. The OP said that. Obviously, PVC doesn’t come from the slab. And I’ve never seen a coin with ‘water spotting’.

    I know. I was trying to respond to both at once. When I respond individually, my fans accuse me of trying to run up my post count.

    You have fans?

    Not everyone has air conditioning

    JK Coin Photography - eBay Consignments | High Quality Photos | LOW Prices | 20% of Consignment Proceeds Go to Pancreatic Cancer Research
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    fiftysevenerfiftysevener Posts: 897 ✭✭✭✭

    @GRANDAM said:
    With an MS67 grade the wise thing to do would be to send it to NGC and let them restore it. If you crack it out your chance of getting a lower grade are too great.

    Pretty sure NGC cannot guarantee the grade after it is removed from the holder for conservation.

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    GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,376 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fiftysevener said:

    @GRANDAM said:
    With an MS67 grade the wise thing to do would be to send it to NGC and let them restore it. If you crack it out your chance of getting a lower grade are too great.

    Pretty sure NGC cannot guarantee the grade after it is removed from the holder for conservation.

    NGC won't remove it unless they can help it.

    GrandAm :)

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