GOAT talk 🐐
galaxy27
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it's starting to get interesting
Brady -- 7 rings, 5x SB MVP, 3x NFL MVP
Mahomes at 28 -- 3 rings, 3x SB MVP, 2x NFL MVP
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
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HoF already
the chiefs need to put together a team year after year, and mahomes could catch brady... barring injuries
also look what happened with tiger woods. his world caved then he did. I suppose mahomes isn't woods but some some personal crisis might getin his head. might not. he isn't woods.
that #15 dude needs 1 more....then I'll type more on the GOAT talk 🐐
Even if Mahomes lost tonight he would absolutely be in the conversation
He is on his way for sure, especially with the lack of weapons he had this year but like Brady early on he benefits from a great defense on the other side of the ball
I still got Brady though
Brady won his third at age 27 and then took a hiatus for ten years before he won his fourth SB.
So if Mahomes gets 2-3 more in the next ten years then the GOAT talk really gets serious.
Golf should never be compared to team sports, thats an individual sport.
Mahomes is in the conversation already, rings arent the end all be all in team sports.
He does have to do it longer though. Skill set in prime vs prime against anyone he probably is it, that said part of being the best ever conversation is the ability to do it for a long period of time.
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brady has a better build! hee hee
will mahomes work it off this off season?
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Mahomes is a great QB, but lets not get silly here...
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Im not sure this a body style that plays into his 40s.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Craig…… Mahomes can go 9 years without any more Super Bowl wins and still have as many as Brady when both were at 37 years old.
Of course if Mahomes continues his pace of playing in 67%(4-6) of the super bowls and winning 50%(3-6) of them then he’ll have 8 rings at age 37.
Will see.
@Darin @GroceryRackPack
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https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2024/2/12/24070404/patrick-mahomes-game-manager-chiefs-49ers-super-bowl
I agree, GOAT talk with Mahomes is too soon at this point.
However his wife recently did a sexy photo spread for Sports Illustrated if that counts in the GOAT equation? 🤣
Do you think that Mahomes will be playing into his 40's? At a high level? The guys in the history of FB who have done what Tommy did in his 40's can be counted on 1 finger. historically, QB's will play at a high level until their mid to late 30's.
Does the body type displayed by Patrick in the above photo translate into one that will play well at age 40? What happens when Patrick cannot scramble like he does now? At some point, Mahomes will suffer a significant injury or two. The raw physical skills will diminish. It happens to all of them.
Realistically, Patrick will have to recreate the 3 superbowl dynasty the Chiefs have already accomplished for a second time.
then win one more
and even then, Tommy still owns the tiebreaker... Basically, now Patrick has to recreate Joe Montana's entire career, and do it all in the next 9 seasons or so before the body breaks down.
is it possible? anything is possible. I am not holding my breath though.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I don’t really know why the body type matters. He’s 6’2” and around 220 with plenty of mobility and arm strength. Why would your Tommy’s body type be any better than Mahomes?
Why would it be a big deal if Mahomes lost a little mobility? He could play QB in a wheelchair and still scramble better than Brady.
Not saying Mahomes will ever win 7 super bowls or be considered GOAT but just pointing out Brady went 9 straight years without a Super Bowl victory. That’s why the pats run wasn’t a 20 year dynasty it was 2 five year mini dynasties.
because his mobility and ability to play at an elite level into his late 30's and beyond will HINGE on how well he takes care of his body. Without overhauling his diet and workouts, he will have less than 10 years of elite play left. Even if he does those things, history tells us he wont be an elite QB at 40. He will lose mobility as he gets into his 30's. that is a fact. without the ability to scramble like he does now, I wonder how effective of a pocket passer Patrick will be? I have seen him get lazy on his fundamentals pretty frequently and sail passes.
you can get by on raw athletic ability in your 20's. it takes real determination to excel at advanced ages.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
His pocket passing is fine its just that their offense forces him to scramble. People are underestimating just how bad his WR core was this year. They had an average at best RB, Rice was their only decent WR, and Kelce thats it. I believe this is the first time a team has won the SB that has lead the league in dropped passes
Through this point of his career he has been better than Brady was at the same point. KC is going to have to start putting some effort into the offensive side of the ball soon though because Kelce wont be there forever and this model of just having Kelce and an ok WR isnt going to work much longer.
The other thing though is that Mahomes will start getting the Brady treatment where guys want to go play with him to win a ring like Brady got with Tampa.
Its to early and injuries could derail it but if he stays healthy its looking good for him ending up #1
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Keep dreaming, not even close nor ever will be....................
To put things in perspective:
Patrick Mahomes at this point would need to add Dan Marino's entire career to his current one to catch Brady in yards. And would STILL be short in touchdowns.
yup, it is a LONG way off. or, He could start this coming season and have Joe Montanas entire career and be short in both yards and TD's.
It is normal for people to think these things. it is recency bias
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Ba> @craig44 said:
Why don’t he just keep having Patrick Mahomes career and be ahead in both yards and TD’s?
BTW- this was still more fun with showtime around so I could tease both of you at the same time.
Miss that guy.
I am looking forward to Brady calling a Chiefs game, to hear his commentary concerning Mahomes and his SB record chase.
I know, I miss him too...
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
The other perspective to it though is that at the same age and through their first 6 seasons Mahomes has been better than Brady was. Higher rating, more yards, more TD, more MVPs, more SBs for those that like to use rings, has never not made the AFC championship for those that like to use team success, already almost double Bradys career rushing yards, only QB to come back 3 times down 10 or more in the SB and win etc.
If people want to use QB rating Brady had 8 seasons above 100, Mahomes already has 4
He will have to stay healthy for another decade or close to it, but it is more likely than not if he does stay healthy that he will finish at the top.
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What ifs at this stage are simply that. What Brady had was health, nutrition, and luck to last as long as he did and win as many SB's as he did. Chances are, Mahomes is not going to do that. But let's talk in say, 12-15 years and see.
If I were Mahomes, and he wants to surpass Brady, it looks like, from his pic, that he needs to focus more on nutrition and training, right now he is Gut-Man Mahomes and looks soft. That ain't gonna give him the longevity Brady had in such a brutal sport................
Thanks for the laugh! 🤣
So Josh Allen should have a huge advantage over Mahomes since he’s built like an MMA fighter?
Yet he’s 0-3 in the playoffs against pillsbury dough boy Mahomes.
Well if the paunch fits.........
I’ll keep putting my money on
Marshmallow Mahomes.
You dont have to be shredded to be elite. Hes in shape and very athletic, its not like hes 300 pounds and slow
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Mahomes is saying, I look better than Brady did!!!!
Looks to me like about a 6th round draft pick.
Basically cannon fodder for training camp.
If you watched the Netflix show "Quarterback" you know Mahomes works out quite strenuously.
it looks like it from the looks of that picture...
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
but if you want to be elite into your late 30's-40's you sure better be taking care of your body.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Yet the guy in that picture has played 6 seasons and already has some 800 more rushing yards than Brady.
Of course Brady had to stay fit and eat well, he was a human statue who got absolutely no exercise on the football field. He burned 5 calories per game due to his constant inactivity.
Stop worrying about mahomes dough belly, he’s a lot better athlete to begin with than Brady so if his physical ability declines 8% per year in 15 years he will be at Brady levels.
Hes an elite professional athlete that is considered the best at his position. Hes been elite for 6 years now. Hes also at the absolute worst considered a top 5 athletically at his position and he isnt 5. He obviously takes care of his body
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yeah, it sure looks like it from the photo. If he doesnt take control of his diet and conditioning, those joints will not last and he will be washed at 38. QB's dont need to be ripped, but patrick will need to do better than he is now if he wants to play into his 40s. there have only been about 3 guys who ever did it and excelled at it. Favre, Moon and tommy.
like i have said many many times, athletic ability will mask lots of stuff in your 20s. it will erode in your 30s. how fast is up to the athlete and his level of commitment to diet and fitness. there is a reason lebron and brady are unicorns. when you have all the money in the world it takes a superhuman amount of discipline and sacrifice to keep your body ready to play at advanced age. It is a year long lifestyle. almost all do not have that discipline. we shall see if patrick does.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
You OBVIOUSLY didn't see the show. One picture doesn't tell you anything. The guy works out like crazy.
You're just feeling threatened by a guy who is going to surpass your idol if KC continues to field a strong team.
Unitas, Tarkenton, Favre, Marino and Manning all got surpassed Brady will be too.
hey perkdog...that's mean...
I had to go with 3 smiley's since there were no Super Bowl emojis...
I am sure he does work out like crazy. by the looks of the image his diet is crazy too. he will have to get that under control or he will be washed by his late 30s like 99% of all qbs in history. diet is a HUGE part of it. ask lebron and tommy. it has to be a year round lifestyle and that is why the vast majority will not do it. especially after they have made a gajillion dollars and life is easy
i certainly dont feel threatened by some guy i have never met. i just love debating sports on the internet.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Not as much as you love Tommy! 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
Every single football player wont be as good at age 38 than they were in their prime. Brady didnt have any special body, looks just like Mahomes, Brady just had botox and work done on his face which makes you think he should be shredded but he never was.
No one took better care of their body than Terrell Owens and he was done at 37, Chad Johnson ate Mcdonalds every day and was shredded, DJ Metcalf eats bags of candy every day and looks like he should be on the cover of a body building magazine. Not everyone can win the genetic lottery and look like some of these guys no matter what they do, nor should they. A QB going in and maxing out on everything in the weight room putting extra stress on the shoulder is just dumb.
Part of longevity is just luck not suffering a serious injury. If Mahomes is out of the league in 10 years it wont be because of his diet or not taking care of himself. Either way he has been better in his first 6 seasons than Brady was.
Mahomes is also just about at the point where hes going to get the same benefits Brady got at the end where guys will take less money to go and try and win a SB playing with him. KC just won the SB with the worst WR core in modern history, it will be a nightmare for other teams if he gets a good WR group again
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