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New Contemporary Counterfeit 1876 Seated Quarter For My Collection

cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,888 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 4, 2024 9:10AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I was at the B&M yesterday looking through a box of new material when I came across this. I showed it to the owner and she took it out of the 2X2 and weighed it. It was 2 grams lighter than it should be. We negotiated a price (which was lower than what was on the holder), and here it is! Based on its condition, it looks to have fooled a lot of people, including the dealer I bought it from.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,429 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We need a specific gravity reading

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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,888 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    We need a specific gravity reading

    I'll give it a try- haven't done one before but I see there are lots of YouTube videos on the process. What convinced me were the tiny 'pimples' surrounding the devices.

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  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 2,949 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe a cast counterfeit.

  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,979 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks cast. Nice find.

  • shortnockshortnock Posts: 362 ✭✭✭

    Fine photo!

  • It's a cast counterfeit. Contemporary though.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,429 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cmerlo1 said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    We need a specific gravity reading

    I'll give it a try- haven't done one before but I see there are lots of YouTube videos on the process. What convinced me were the tiny 'pimples' surrounding the devices.

    It is "probably" counterfeit, but I want to verify that it is not silver first.

    Back in 1978 I was at a coin show in Dayton and picked up a "counterfeit" 1864 half dollar out of a junk box for two or three dollars. Funny color and all sorts of weird little bubbles on it.

    Back at my office at Coin World Monday morning I did an s.g. and it was silver. It had been in a fire and was warped and slightly larger than normal. Cool! I started carrying it as a pocket piece.

    Years later when I was a coin dealer in Chicago I learned that during the Great Chicago Fire the Post Office Building had burned down, and when they opened the big safe they found that all the coins inside had been heated almost to the melting point but not quite. I saw a few of them in a museum and they looked like my coin. The date was right.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,845 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It does not scream counterfeit. It does scream environmental damage. My gut feeling is that it is genuine.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,297 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    We need a specific gravity reading

    Ya lost me, what if anything is it? 🤔

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,578 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, do the SG test. Use sewing thread to suspend the coin in the cup of water. It's easy and enlightening. Good luck

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  • Insider3Insider3 Posts: 127 ✭✭✭

    @291fifth said:
    It does not scream counterfeit. It does scream environmental damage. My gut feeling is that it is genuine.

    I agree. However, at 2 grams light, that is 1/3 of the weight of a genuine. Som-Ding-Wong.

    @Namvet69 said:
    Yes, do the SG test. Use sewing thread to suspend the coin in the cup of water. It's easy and enlightening. Good luck

    DO NOT use thread. It absorbs water and will provide a less accurate test the smaller the coin. I use Platinum wire a little thicker than a few human hairs twisted together - less surface tension with the water.

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