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1944 P Jefferson Nickel question

jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,031 ✭✭✭✭✭

Going thru some old stock and ran across this 44P Jeff in an old ICG holder. Not concerned about the MS67 so much, but I feel it should have been FS. The step lines are visible thru the dark spot. Your opinions please.
Jim


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  • RayboRaybo Posts: 5,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    FS

  • ExtremeengineerExtremeengineer Posts: 123 ✭✭✭
    edited February 3, 2024 11:19AM

    First, I have seen worse get a FS, from both NFC and PCGS. While the FS should be pretty quantitative to decide, it seems an empirical approach is used. That said, using an empirical approach, you do not have FS based on the photos.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,321 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Full steps 👍

  • There appear to be clear breaks in the steps, so I am just curious why those saying FS are justifying that? As I said, this seems to be the problem with FS, often a cursory glance is used to make a decision rather than verifying each line is, in fact, unbroken. Perhaps this is artifacting in his photos, but the breaks appear clearly to me.

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,163 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As stated - I've seen alot worse get a FS classification. On this one it would seem how picky you wanted to be on the definition of FS.
    I'd lean toward full steps..........

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,031 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Extremeengineer said:
    There appear to be clear breaks in the steps, so I am just curious why those saying FS are justifying that? As I said, this seems to be the problem with FS, often a cursory glance is used to make a decision rather than verifying each line is, in fact, unbroken. Perhaps this is artifacting in his photos, but the breaks appear clearly to me.

    You named yourself correctly. I know what magnification my photos are and yours are "Extreme-ly higher. Do you think the graders use more than 10x? I can be wrong, but I feel this would pass. JMO
    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • @jesbroken said:

    You named yourself correctly. I know what magnification my photos are and yours are "Extreme-ly higher. Do you think the graders use more than 10x? I can be wrong, but I feel this would pass. JMO
    Jim

    I saw the breaks in your photos, and only blew them up to let others see what I saw. I don’t have the coin in hand, but war nickels are my current focus and I feel like I’d clearly see the breaks under 10X. I guess the grader agreed with me. But then as we know that’s the problem, your coin isn’t FS, that’s just a geometric fact, that requires no breaks, and you have breaks. But luck of the draw you get a grader that just skims the steps and you got yourself a FS designation, deserved or not.

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