For the Modern Germany and German States Crowd -Saxony 1780 Taler added

coinkat

This one met expectations- including the image

neildrobertson

That's a great example

MacCrimmon

Sehr schön !!!

HoledandCreative

Don't see too many of those.

Eddi

Schönes Exemplar einer eher seltenen Münze!

Some did circulate, by mistake, and I tried for many years to find one in circulation here in Germany - no luck.
Is that a proof ? allegedly only 10 or so exist.

coinkat

@Eddi

I have seen two examples of this date. This one, without question, was significantly better. My floor grade was MS65 with about a 50% shot at 66. It graded at MS65. It is not a proof but is what seems to be a well struck example with a bold look.

7Jaguars

"65" seems a bit mean on that unless somehow there are hairlines unseen on the photos you have there, Sir.

neildrobertson

It's nearly.impossible to find full heads on business strikes of these. This one seems well above average, if I am remembering right.

High grade examples of this type are around. GC had one that went cheap over the last couple years. I'm aware of one that just graded 67 over at NGC. If you want one and are patient, you can get one. They are not cheap. Probably the second or third most valuable regular issue modern German coin along with the 1958J 5 Mark and Deutches Museum 5 Mark.

ajaan

MS65? No way. I would love to hear why it was only graded a 65. Lost the coin flip?

ColonelKlinck

That's nicer than the NGC66 currently on the market for $750.00.
Very nice!

YQQ

I had several, but not even lose to this one.....
If you are searching for one, please be aware that the PRoC produces them in many grades.
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coinkat

Instead of starting a new thread, I thought I would add this one to conserve thread space. Saxony - 1780 Taler with a below average strike with surfaces that are just not often encountered. Based on some of the threads on the US forum that involve high grades and rub, seems this coin and hopefully the draws a line the shortfalls in production quality and the quality of surfaces that have withstood the test of time.

Based on what was previously discussed as to grading a difficult Modern, it might be fun to turn the tables and discuss grading of a somewhat common fourth quarter 18th century Taler.

coinkat

coinkat

Thought I would add two images

HoledandCreative

Sorry for bad pictures.

jmski52

Is that a proof ? allegedly only 10 or so exist.

Seriously? I bought a proof on ebay back in 2016. Do you have any idea of its worth?

HoledandCreative

How about a picture of the proof?

jmski52

I finally had some time to fiddle around and get some pictures off of my phone.

Please comment if you have info.

coinkat

It is a proof- but it is the common variety- notice the difference in the reverse- the rare variety is BANK DEUTSCHER LANDER.

Not sure about the value off hand

jmski52

Very interesting. Thank-you!

neildrobertson

The value is a few dollars. They can be found in 1965G proof sets, which have always been surprisingly common on US ebay. The set sell for $20-30 historically and most of the value is tied up in the 1,2 and 5 Mark coins. I've personally put a couple in bulk world coin poundage over the years after they set unsold on ebay for a while for a few dollars.