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1914-D Lincoln, Real or Fake

Collector of Victoria, Edward VII, George V and George VI Canadian; and most anything U.S. I am currently looking for early Lincolns, raw in XF or better.

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  • GreenstangGreenstang Posts: 717 ✭✭✭✭

    Please show the reverse as well. ( This should be automatic whenever showing pictures)
    There are markers on the reverse that canhelp.

  • Collector of Victoria, Edward VII, George V and George VI Canadian; and most anything U.S. I am currently looking for early Lincolns, raw in XF or better.

  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 5,931 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Could be real, could be fake. Send it in to our host for authentication/grading service. If real, it's going to get a details grade.

    Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein

  • I actually don't own the coin, but have bought a number of Lincolns from the owner. This one just looked a bit off, and I wondered if there were any obvious tells.

    Collector of Victoria, Edward VII, George V and George VI Canadian; and most anything U.S. I am currently looking for early Lincolns, raw in XF or better.

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,617 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's the images from Coinfacts: https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1914-d-1c-bn/2471

    The mintmark seems to line up and the spacing of the 1 and 4 in the date seem to be OK, but this issue is so heavily counterfeited that I'd just go ahead and send it into our hosts. If real, it's still likely a "details" coin due the the porosity on the obverse and whatever schmutz is still there... Good luck, and let us know how it turns out if you do submit...

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,161 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There were 6 different mint mark die locations for the 1914-D.

    Die #1 - Level, High mm position:

    Die #2 - Level, Middle mm position:

    Die #3 - Level, Low mm position:

    Die #4 - mm Rotated ccw, High position:

    Die #5 - mm Rotated ccw, Low position:

    Die #6 - mm Rotated cw:

    (courtesy Heritage)

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,161 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So looks like location #1?, maybe location #4?
    Anybody any good at creating an overlay?

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 7,811 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Real or fake the obv. mushiness and rev. hits are a turn off.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,193 ✭✭✭✭✭

    With all its problems, I doubt it's worth the expense of getting it slabbed especially considering it will probably be used as a hole-filler for a coin album.

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 7,885 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It appears genuine, but there is considerable environmental degradation (corrosion), such as pits on the lower bust.

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,383 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's got the die crack from Abe's coat to the rim, which one of the dies had it in a late die state.

    It's real

    Pete

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  • No HeadlightsNo Headlights Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a metal detector find. I have found thousands of Wheaties over the years. Many with a similar look. Dark, pitted.

  • oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:
    Real or fake the obv. mushiness and rev. hits are a turn off.

    LOL, that's all that bothers you? Even if real I wouldn't allow it in the yard let alone the house.

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,161 ✭✭✭✭✭

    (" Even if real I wouldn't allow it in the yard let alone the house.")

    Yeah, I'm with you, who in their right mind would want an extra $100+ added to their coin collection...... B)

  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 5,931 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $100 coin if genuine even in the poor condition as seen.

    Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,027 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 1, 2024 8:05PM

    It is not #1 and at a glance #4 appears a better chance. Just leaving and do not have time to do #4. Upon returning, if someone far better than I haven't compared it, then I will give it a shot.
    Jim

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  • Insider3Insider3 Posts: 157 ✭✭✭

    @Greenstang said:
    Please show the reverse as well. ( This should be automatic whenever showing pictures)
    There are markers on the reverse that canhelp.

    Really, please let us know what they are. Thanks in advance.

  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 3,770 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:
    Real or fake the obv. mushiness and rev. hits are a turn off.

    For sure. Even if it is genuine I wouldn't pay $100 for it.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 7,811 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @VanHalen said:

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:
    Real or fake the obv. mushiness and rev. hits are a turn off.

    For sure. Even if it is genuine I wouldn't pay $100 for it.

    Neither would I but I recognize there are coin collectors on a budget that would buy a coin like this to fill a hole in their coin album.

    Yes. And collectors buy those PR 1 for good money and they have less detail then the cent posted here. Everyone's interest,budget is varied.

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  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 5,931 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mr1931S said:
    $100 coin if genuine even in the poor condition as seen.

    $100 retail to a collector but most likely would be in dealer inventory for a good while at that price. An experienced dealer might pay $20-$30 to acquire it. Newbie dealer, maybe $50-$60. At the end of the day, it's not worth slabbing so my take is relying on the FREE expert opinions here is probably the best way to go with this '14-D.

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  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 5,931 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @VanHalen said:

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:
    Real or fake the obv. mushiness and rev. hits are a turn off.

    For sure. Even if it is genuine I wouldn't pay $100 for it.

    Neither would I but I recognize there are coin collectors on a budget that would buy a coin like this to fill a hole in their coin album.

    I agree. The '14-D hole in the album or folder is definitely one that needs to filled for the serious collector of early Lincoln cents. 1909-S V.D.B. (gulp >:) ) and 1922 "no D" not so much.

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,027 ✭✭✭✭✭

    4 appears correct. Sorry for the blur.

    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Regardless of value or budgetary considerations, one has to draw a line at some aesthetic level. I don't believe in hole fillers in general, coins in the condition shown in particular. Sorry if that offends.

  • AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oldabeintx said:
    Regardless of value or budgetary considerations, one has to draw a line at some aesthetic level. I don't believe in hole fillers in general, coins in the condition shown in particular. Sorry if that offends.

    Each of draws that line in a different place.

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  • VTchaserVTchaser Posts: 272 ✭✭✭

    @oldabeintx said:
    Regardless of value or budgetary considerations, one has to draw a line at some aesthetic level. I don't believe in hole fillers in general, coins in the condition shown in particular. Sorry if that offends.

    To each their own. I don't have a huge budget to make sure all my coins are AU or better. Album fillers to me, are just that. Average quality for the year and the mint. I like completing albums this way.

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  • GreenstangGreenstang Posts: 717 ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2, 2024 1:27PM

    **@Greenstang said:
    Please show the reverse as well. ( This should be automatic whenever showing pictures)
    There are markers on the reverse that can help.

    Really, please let us know what they are. Thanks in advance.**

    On the reverse counterfeit cents, there is a small die chip on the wheat stalk. This been used
    on multiple year wheat cents. Not having it does not eliminate the posssibility that it is counterfeit
    but having it assures you that it is.

  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,166 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don't like it.

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,161 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @No Headlights said:
    " Looks like a metal detector find. "

    Now that would be a good day of metal detecting!

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 7,885 ✭✭✭✭✭

    At a recent local coin club meeting, a member brought in a couple counterfeit 1955 Doubled Die cents.
    Both were counterfeit (the owner suspected that). But what he hadn't noticed previously is that one of them had a "VDB" reverse. It possibly has the same die as the one shown above.

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